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This “Uyghur genocide” thing was debunked in like 2021, by Chinese Uyghurs. This argument should not still be happening.
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By the way, you can GO TO XINJIANG as a tourist. You can talk to the people there. You can experience their culture for yourself. How’s the Freedom Floatila doing in comparison?
Hell, go on RedNote, an explicitly PRC centric app with state control and cEnSoRsHiP and you’ll see Uyghurs in and outside Xinjiang proudly sharing their culture. Wonder how many Palestinians are allowed on Israeli social media.
Also, Uyghurs can, get this, leave the country that’s “genociding” them and many do every year for the Haj pilgrimage. Can Palestinians do the same? Uyghurs can also, get this, go back to the same home and possessions they had before they left without worrying about an Israeli or Han Chinese family moving in while they were gone.
Also also, look up “minority status” in China and how mixed race Han-Uyghur people usually identify with their Uyghur heritage on official papers because it opens up more social support programs like scholarships. They (and every other minority) were also automatically exempt from the One Child Policy which is a pretty stupid move if they’re trying to get rid of them. You literally get more perks from the government if you’re not Han, and this is supported by both the majority and minority ethnicities in China. What does Palestinian status in Israel get you again, I forget.
Every single “evidence” I’ve ever seen of this genocide ended up as hoax (remember the meat truck?), so I think it’s pretty safe to say it isn’t a thing.
I trust the OIC more than I trust any Western liberal on this. The same liberals who more often than not support Israel.
I mean genocide doesnt concern buildings. There is a war in Gaza and not in Xinjiang. And there is many stages in Genocide. Palestinians are being killed nonindustrially and being displaced. Advanced, but not maxed-out genocide. Claims about Xinjiang say they are being forcefully sterilzed, and cultural leaders are being detained and tortured. I believe victims first and foremost.
You owe it to yourself to actually listen to the Uyghur people in Xinjiang, rather than what western news outlets and propagandists like Adrian Zenz espouse.
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You’re right, it isn’t r/sino, it’s Lemmy.ml. Not sure what you are talking about here, I literally linked you hundreds of Uyghur residents of Xinjiang responding to western allegations directly. It isn’t that you aren’t allowed to hear them, it’s that you deliberately erase their voices and avoid them.
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What part of linking hundreds of Uyghur testimonials is “fake news?” This is MAGA-tier fact avoidance on your part. Please be serious, read the links. I have already read the Wikipedia entry before, this isn’t a new thing you’ve suddenly introduced me to. Much of the Wikipedia entry links directly back to paid propagandist Adrian Zenz, who has been caught falsifying information, and is paid directly by western states to manufacture a genocide narrative.
Calling me a “sockpuppet” for genuinely linking testimonies of Uyghur people is incredibly disingenuous.
Fake news when it contradicts your liberal bubble. Hey, which source are you referring to? You can’t just link wikipedia and then not explain in any way. One of the sources cited is literally Adrian Zenz lol
Verified by who? Goebbels?
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There is no claim that the West could make about China that you wouldn’t believe as an article of faith
Show me where in East Turkmenistan it looks like anywhere in Palestine?
The state department thanks you for your service patriot
No, China is not commiting genocide. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Even with all of the real complexities, though, nothing material measures up to claims of genocide.
Thanks for linking the UN Report - really horrific stuff:
Two-thirds of the twenty-six former detainees interviewed, reported having been subjected to treatment that would amount to torture and/or other forms of ill-treatment, either in VETC facilities themselves or in the context of processes of referral to VETC facilities. These claims of mistreatment took place either during interrogations or as a form of punishment for (alleged) wrongdoing. Their accounts included being beaten with batons, including electric batons while strapped in a so- called “tiger chair”; being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces; prolonged solitary confinement; and being forced to sit motionless on small stools for prolonged periods of time.
Some also spoke of various forms of sexual violence, including some instances of rape, affecting mainly women. These accounts included having been forced by guards to perform oral sex in the context of an interrogation and various forms of sexual humiliation, including forced nudity. The accounts similarly described the way in which rapes took place outside the dormitories, in separate rooms without cameras. In addition, several women recounted being subject to invasive gynaecological examinations, including one woman who described this taking place in a group setting which “made old women ashamed and young girls cry”, because they did not understand what was happening. The Government has firmly denied these claims, often through personal or gendered attacks against the women who have publicly reported these allegations.
The extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim groups, pursuant to law and policy, in context of restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.
You’re right it’s incorrect to call it a genocide but I’m glad you at least agree that “rape”, “torture”, “deprivation of fundamental rights” and probable “crimes against humanity” are being committed in the “re-education” camps against non-Han ethnic groups with the government being at the very least complicit by denying any wrongdoing - so it’s good to know you don’t blindly believe the CCP to be a benevolent force for good but can recognize the harm they’ve already caused to Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and Huis in Xinjiang.
It’s times like these when I wish I could just block an instance that isn’t defederated from mine.
Please prove yourself by walking in traditional uyghur clothing with an uyghur flag in a city like kashgar and live stream the event. Prove how accepting the general public is and how the police will treat you respectfully.
