I was originally going to ask how many legal genders there should be, but I fail to see a compelling argument against 0.

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    One reason I could think of is identification. Say a person is missing. Describing a 5’2, 135lb person with brown hair and eyes is a lot less narrow than a 5’2, 135lb woman with brown hair and eyes.

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      Well they don’t really need a ‘legal’ haircolor either to be able to formulate a good description when you go missing

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      Look, there is currently a campaign of hatred towards trans and intersex people from politicians in many places, especially in the US and the UK. They are making it so you can’t update your gender marker. They require it to match your birth certificate, and make it impossible to update your birth certificate too. So it will say whatever was recorded back then. Which does not at all help when you’re talking about a missing person. Nobody who sees me would think I was a man, yet that is what my papers used to say.

      So since it does not get updated, it’s just as useless as legally recording your eye color, your hair color, your weight, or your height. It all changes over your life. Imagine we issued missing persons reports based on your weight recorded at birth. That is what is happening with the gender marker.

      The gender marker is primarily used for legal discrimination, historically and today. Did you know that there is an airline in the Middle East that only lets men have laptop bags for their carry-on? If you’re a woman you may have a handbag, and they will not let you on if you have a laptop bag instead.

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      That’s not a legal definition, your document also doesn’t have the hair color, and yet you used that in your description. Not to mention people are known to change their hair color at will without having to communicate it to the government, why should gender be any different?

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        because you can’t change you biological hair color.

        at least without surgery. and you can’t change your sex without surgery either

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          Exactly, you can’t change your biological hair color, and you can’t change your biological sex, so they’re the same. So why are people making a big fuzz about one and not the other? you shouldn’t need to inform the government about cosmetics treatments to change the apparence of either.

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            beaus some people such intense idealists and they don’t think biology should exist because they find it political or socially upsetting.

            like for them, the concept of saying males produce sperm and females eggs, is offense and harmful and evil. so it shouldn’t exist and we should stop saying that, because intersex and sterile people exist and they are ‘excluded’ from our evil biological sex language.

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              Biology exist whether you or anyone likes it or not. The question here is whether the government should track your biological characteristics, and if so which characteristics and why.