I’m envious of the way the French protest their government. They’re literally setting things on fire because their schools aren’t adequate. Because the government tried to raise the retirement age. Because their politicians are shitbags.
I think the biggest obstacle to organizing in the US is the sheer distance. It takes 40 solid hours of driving to get from one side to the other. That’s not counting any breaks. France takes about 14 hours. Doable in a day or so if you push it.
Anyway, I’d sign up for a Revolution if there was a serious contender.
False dichotomy. There are many things to do between “do nothing but vote for evil” and “revolution”.
I don’t want to write the whole thing again, so I’ll just leave this here.
The problem is nobody on the left is actually doing those things. It’s almost like bitching about people on the internet has taken the place of actual activisim.
I want to have things like Universal Healthcare and a living wage and/or UBI before I die. That stuff isn’t going to happen by not voting. If “the left” were capable of achieving these things by not voting then we’d have them already.In the USA (which was the focus of OP) I would argue there is virtually no left in the first place. Outliers excluded even their left-most people are still centrists, at best. Note that nowhere I said people should stop voting, it’s kind of crazy how that’s always a knee-jerk assumption. Obviously you still ought to choose the lesser evil - but that must come with doing the other parts. Otherwise, again, you’re just choosing evil.
That being said: If you live in the USA and you want that to happen, you need to step up. Not say “nobody else is doing it”. You need to do it. If you already are: Congrats! Next you need to accept that you can do everything right and still lose. That’s just life.
Been seeing this sentiment lately, and it’s silly. At least in the decades I’ve been around, people only vote the lesser evil about half the time. What we get is the “lesser” evil fixing and/or improving things, then the other party wins and undoes it all, rinse and repeat. You’d only actually have a point if it was consistently people voting the lesser which they’re not. This is just propaganda to demotivate folks from voting and making them feel like it’s hopeless so nothing changes for the folks that don’t want it to.
What we get is the “lesser” evil fixing and/or improving things
No, they don’t. Both parties actively make things worse, one wants to move to the right faster but they both want to move to the right. Things get worse regardless of which party is in power, neither party actually fixes or improves things.
There is a bipartisan consensus on ICE, the Patriot Act, spending as much on the military as the next 9 countries combined, getting involved in foreign wars, opposing Medicare for all, etc. Biden increased military spending to an all time high and bypassed congress to send more weapons to Israel.
“If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it all the way out, that’s not progress. The progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven’t even begun to pull the knife out, much less heal the wound… They won’t even admit the knife is there.”
The knife is in 9 inches, and one party wants to shove it another 6 while the other wants to plunge it in another 3. Both parties want to make it illegal to even talk about pulling the knife out.
Both parties actively make things worse
Provably false to anyone that pays any attention at all and literally the type of shitstain garbage sentiment the post is warning about.
With the last Democrat administration we got the biggest infrastructure bill of our lifetimes, the Inflation Reduction Act, the Safer Communities Act, the CHIPS act, same sex and interracial marriage was codified, prescription drug price reforms, student loan forgiveness for MILLIONS, and more.
The Dems have a voting history PROVING they regularly vote in favor of the middle/lower classes and stats PROVE they are better for our economy.
These are all objectively good things that make things better, not worse. Maybe what you mean to say is that one party actively makes things worse and the other just doesn’t do everything YOU want them to do on YOUR timeline.
The bottom line is there is a stupid decision and a smart decision every time you fill out a ballot, but you’re wasting your time telling others that no option is a good option.
Stop wasting our time and spreading this shit sentiment. The situation is far too serious for that garbage.
I’ve discussed things with you before and know that you’re a diehard party loyalist, so there’s little point in trying to reason with you. As I recall, you explicitly told me you consider American lives more valuable than the lives of non-Americans, so I don’t respect your opinion whatsoever. Your assessment of the party is based on fascist values and beliefs that are completely incompatible with my own.
At the end of the day, as someone who believes in the principle that all people are created equal, I’ll never vote for a party that supports mass murder, even if it’s targeted at “lesser” foreigners. And you and your party can make the choice of whether that’s an unreasonable condition to being part of their coalition. If you don’t need people who believe in equality, then don’t whine about how we vote. If you do need us, give us our demands and stop supporting mass murder. Doesn’t make a lick of difference to me if you think I’m being “unreasonable” or “wasting my vote” or whatever else. And I’m not going to stop voicing my opinion or advocating against genocide, no matter what you say.
I’ve discussed things with you before and know that you’re a diehard party loyalist
I’m not a diehard party loyalist. That’s just what you frame me as because you don’t do your homework and have no good arguments, so you deflect to using demeaning labels against your opponent. I talk shit about Dems all the time. And I also give them credit where credit is due, something you are incapable of doing.
You know nothing about me, other than that I pay more attention than you to current affairs and know what actually gets accomplished and by who.
As I recall, you explicitly told me you consider American lives more valuable than the lives of non-Americans
No shit, Sherlock. Your own affairs in your own nation absolutely take precedence over the affairs of others in other parts of the world. How can you effectively help anyone anywhere else if you aren’t keeping your own house in order and it starts to collapse (descend into fascism)? You made this comment like some kind of “gotcha” but it’s just common sense, something you appear to be extremely short on.
You spend all your time on this platform whining like a baby, providing no facts, calling everyone genocide supporters, and accomplishing exactly nothing, other than maybe convincing others through your incessant whining to not vote or vote for candidates that cannot, under any circumstances, win.
You are less than worthless and provide nothing of value to the conversation.
Don’t care, didn’t read your fascist bullshit. Already said all I have to say to you.
We know you read it. You just have nothing of value to add to the discourse. “muh both parties bad the cOntRoLeD duOpoLy”. Just insane out of touch privileged takes
Lmao. Yes, I care so much about what a fascist who views foreigners as lesser beings thinks, that I couldn’t help but read it! And his beliefs in the inherent superiority of Americans is just so compelling and persuasive, I just couldn’t think of any possible counterargument!
No. I don’t lie. I dismiss everything he says out of hand because he is a fascist. And if you agree with him, then you are too.
If you reject the very notion of equality, why on God’s green earth would I give a rat’s ass what you think?
It’s utterly insane for you to call me “privileged” for believing in equality! If you reject equality, then by that logic what the fuck would it matter if I’m “privileged?” By your logic, that just means I’m better than you. Because fuck equality, right? Don’t try to co-opt left-wing language while rejecting the fundamental premises of leftism.
Every permutation of LateStageCapitalism I’ve ever seen acts like a gop honeypot to keep people from voting.
LateStageCapitalism on Lemmy is almost assuredly exactly that. It is run by a single crybaby mod (Godless Commie) that non-stop espouses quitter bullshit and deletes comments and bans anyone that disagrees with his shitstain opinions. No one should be visiting that sub. If it isn’t a honeypot, it may as well be.
LSC will also ban you for telling people that they are a honeypot to get people to stop voting.
I wear my ban from that shitstain sub with beaming pride.
The biggest obstacle is the American people. Lol y’all are a bunch of coddled little girls. Way too many Americans, including left wing ones, fall for the American exceptionalism myth hook line and sinker. The fact that anyone with a head on their shoulders thinks there is going to be a return to the status quo after Trump is very very cute!
It’s crazy how you are all just watching your democratic devolve into chaos, poverty, and conflict with the rest of the world and you just… Make communist memes about it on social media… Protest on Saturdays… Act like you are the only country where it’s expensive to live and there are large distances…
Maybe stop being such little bitches!
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Fairy creek, actually
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Yeah are you familiar with the fairy creek protest, at all? Lol. Like I’m not throwing stones in glass houses, bud. I’m ready to die for my nation defending it against American aggression, should it come to that.
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No leaders. Operate by unanimous consensus.
You’ve never ordered pizza for a party, have you?
I mean… I might have…
Then you know that unanimous consensus doesn’t exist.
But without it, the needs of smaller factions won’t be addressed. Their interests will be trampled, and they will have to either leave the coalition, or willingly choose to table their priorities.
Sure, but you’ll never get unanimous consensus on anything and you know it.
I’d settle for 99%. But I think that it’s possible, we’ve seen it happen in local action groups fighting against ICE/military occupations; we’ve seen it in the height of Black Lives Matter’s street protests.
I would agree that once you are talking about nation-sized movements, it becomes very difficult to hold them together with one agreed-upon purpose. That’s why the roots, the foundation in local organizing is so important.
You’re living in a bubble, man. BLM and Anti-ICE have never gotten even close to that kind of consensus. The only thing that’s even close is anti-flock, but even that’s divided.
