I was inferring that Russian bot farms and propaganda Mills like to sew discourse about socialism in America they don’t necessarily agree or disagree with socialism they simply like to make people fight over it.
You made an assumption that was incorrect which is generally what assumptions are.
I would argue that Russia benefits from sowing discord, something it has historically demonstrated a consistent willingness to do.
Think about it: the more Americans hate socialism, the more likely they are to support capitalism without questioning whether the current system actually serves their interests. A population conditioned to reject anything labeled socialist is less likely to support policies that could benefit the general public, even when those policies have broad public support. From that perspective, why wouldn’t Russia encourage that kind of division?
To answer your question, Russia stands to benefit from this strategy or, at the very least, its leadership believes it does.
The US government is the absolute arch enemy of anything actually socialist. To construct some weird ass reasoning, that any kind of foreign interference amplifies that very fringe aspect of US society is … man, I would argue that you‘ve got brain worms (but more likely a default western mind, which you yourself are the master of, if only you dared).
The US population is conditioned to reject anything labeled socialist since the Russian revolution in 1917, the very moment the proletariat brought the evidence, that the exploited class is able to govern itself. That radiated internationally, as evidenced by the establishment of communist parties in the following years all around the world.
The US elites, panicked a worker’s revolution could threaten their rule, and immediately joined forces to invade Soviet Russia to try and put an end to that (but failed).
The US did not recognize Soviet Russia until 1933, in fear to legitimize the Bolsheviks.
The US immediately started its domestic red scare propaganda and repression of anything vaguely critical of the government, so mostly anarchists, communists and worker unions.
The US/CIA ever since has been the main actor to topple and squash any attempts of socialism (or otherwise unaligned rule) by force, going as far as to genocide the native population, see Korea, Vietnam, where it slaugthered millions. It‘s using military force, interference and coups until today.
The reason there even was a Cold War was, because the US capitalist class was scared that the communist idea would tale hold and thereby forced the war ridden and slaughtered Soviet people into an perpetual arms race so it wouldn‘t be abble to get crushed by the US war machine. Resources that would have been needed in other places.
US propaganda is the very reason, that nowadays a bunch of so-called socialists hold the conviction, that communism is somehow bad or evil, because it put a lot of energy into building that narrative.
The US produced the so-called Compatible Left to pacify the movement, so it wouldn‘t grow to become a danger for the ruling class. A philosophical poison throughout the western hemisphere.
No foreign actor needs to add a drop into the ocean that is US anti-communism, that‘s the definition of a wasted effort. The USA IS anti-communism by being the capitalist world hegemon. US-Americans fully support capitalism, because it‘s their domestic ideology, their only conceivable reality. Their country and their system has become the sole ruler of the world (or, has been as of lately) ever since the Soviet Union as a counterweight vanished. That‘s also a good chunk of the reasons why the world has been in constant crisis ever since.
They really don‘t need Russia for any of that.
I’m absolute certain, that you have absolutely no fucking clue, what you are talking about. Would you be an LLM, we‘d conclude that you are hallucinating.
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What does Russia have to do with socialism?
Centrists love to pretend that everyone to their left is Russian.
Negative.
Read the thread.
It’s all variants on “durr hurr hurr .ml is a ghost town!”
I don’t care what .ml is doing.
I’m not a centrist.
I was inferring that Russian bot farms and propaganda Mills like to sew discourse about socialism in America they don’t necessarily agree or disagree with socialism they simply like to make people fight over it.
You made an assumption that was incorrect which is generally what assumptions are.
Very common to pretend that communism and socialism is the same thing.
Russia is neither.
Centrists don’t care if the method they use to attempt to smear anyone to their left is grounded in reality.
They’re like republicans in that respect. And most other respects.
I’ve always felt like Russian bot farms and propaganda Mills like to push discourse about socialism in the United States.
It’s not that they’re necessarily in support or against socialism they just like to have people arguing about it for whatever reason.
Qui Bono?
Yes?
Lmao!
На самом деле я говорю на трех разных языках. Только не этот. Я не должен знать, что это значит.
Ah, it’s a popular Latin phrase used in English, it means, who benefits?
As in, where is the motive?
I would argue that Russia benefits from sowing discord, something it has historically demonstrated a consistent willingness to do.
Think about it: the more Americans hate socialism, the more likely they are to support capitalism without questioning whether the current system actually serves their interests. A population conditioned to reject anything labeled socialist is less likely to support policies that could benefit the general public, even when those policies have broad public support. From that perspective, why wouldn’t Russia encourage that kind of division?
To answer your question, Russia stands to benefit from this strategy or, at the very least, its leadership believes it does.
The US government is the absolute arch enemy of anything actually socialist. To construct some weird ass reasoning, that any kind of foreign interference amplifies that very fringe aspect of US society is … man, I would argue that you‘ve got brain worms (but more likely a default western mind, which you yourself are the master of, if only you dared).
The US population is conditioned to reject anything labeled socialist since the Russian revolution in 1917, the very moment the proletariat brought the evidence, that the exploited class is able to govern itself. That radiated internationally, as evidenced by the establishment of communist parties in the following years all around the world.
The US elites, panicked a worker’s revolution could threaten their rule, and immediately joined forces to invade Soviet Russia to try and put an end to that (but failed). The US did not recognize Soviet Russia until 1933, in fear to legitimize the Bolsheviks.
The US immediately started its domestic red scare propaganda and repression of anything vaguely critical of the government, so mostly anarchists, communists and worker unions.
The US/CIA ever since has been the main actor to topple and squash any attempts of socialism (or otherwise unaligned rule) by force, going as far as to genocide the native population, see Korea, Vietnam, where it slaugthered millions. It‘s using military force, interference and coups until today.
The reason there even was a Cold War was, because the US capitalist class was scared that the communist idea would tale hold and thereby forced the war ridden and slaughtered Soviet people into an perpetual arms race so it wouldn‘t be abble to get crushed by the US war machine. Resources that would have been needed in other places.
US propaganda is the very reason, that nowadays a bunch of so-called socialists hold the conviction, that communism is somehow bad or evil, because it put a lot of energy into building that narrative.
The US produced the so-called Compatible Left to pacify the movement, so it wouldn‘t grow to become a danger for the ruling class. A philosophical poison throughout the western hemisphere.
No foreign actor needs to add a drop into the ocean that is US anti-communism, that‘s the definition of a wasted effort. The USA IS anti-communism by being the capitalist world hegemon. US-Americans fully support capitalism, because it‘s their domestic ideology, their only conceivable reality. Their country and their system has become the sole ruler of the world (or, has been as of lately) ever since the Soviet Union as a counterweight vanished. That‘s also a good chunk of the reasons why the world has been in constant crisis ever since. They really don‘t need Russia for any of that.
I’m absolute certain, that you have absolutely no fucking clue, what you are talking about. Would you be an LLM, we‘d conclude that you are hallucinating.
It would pay more dividends to radicalize as many young men to the right as possible. You know, the side that does the domestic terrorism