

Good call, but the chamomile I do is just bulk “Egyptian chamomile”. Not any kind of a “sleepy-time tea” or anything like that.
In the past I’ve done Celestial Seasonings Sleeptytime Vanilla. Love the taste. It doesn’t have any Valerian either, though.
I have done Cup of Calm by Traditional Medicinals which is a mix (it doesn’t have any Valerian, though) but it’s honestly a little stronger than I’d like. It’d be fine on a once-in-a-while basis, but I wouldn’t want to do it daily.
I honestly don’t know that I’ve ever consumed Valerian now that you mention it. 🤔 Maybe I’ll try some sometime.







Especially in the early days of the recent Kratom “boom”, I definitely heard a lot of people call it “not a drug”. I think kindof in the same way as there are lots of psychoactive substances that people don’t consider “drugs”. (Chamomile that I listed in my OP, for instance. People feed that shit to their little kids and don’t think of it even slightly like they think of alcohol or hard drugs or whatever. But that shit’s a GABA agonist just like alcohol, GHB, and benzos. There’s definitely a sense of the word “drug” in which chamomile is super duper for sure yes a drug.) I think mostly those folks were in deep denial. It’s not just a drug, but a pretty concerning one for its addiction potential if nothing else. But still, I’ve heard people say it’s “not a drug”. So, yeah. I think it counts for purposes of this thread.