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I am biased in disagreeing here but to me DSA is the best bet we have. Its the largest socialist organization in the history of the US. I am deeply frustrated with it often but feel there is no better option than trying to continue to move it in a more revolutionary direction.

Sure but DSA is a lot more than just SocDems. There’s a large and vibrant left of the org full of commies and anarchists and other tendencies in between.

Care to explain?

I disagree wholeheartedly. Both parties, while not the same, are objectively instruments of capital and serve exclusively to extend the longevity of its hegemony over society and the rest of the world (as the US is the largest global progenitor of imperialism). Any reforms we get are merely a side effect of it being whatever assuages people in society enough to stave off any kind of true revolutionary moment that would fundamentally reverse the polarity of power. The Democratic party has no interest in corporate control or combating militarism because at it’s core these are what drive US power at home and abroad. They may play lip service to these things from time to time. They may slap a fine on a company or prevent a merger here and there but fundamentally they will not work to change the hands of power back to the people where it belongs. The Democratic party has been doing this for decades and decades. It is nothing new. The political climate we are in today is a logical continuation of the work both parties have been engaging in since long before you are I were ever around to comment on it.

Both sides fund endless war abroad and are pro global subjugation at the behest of the corporations that run our government let’s not jerk the dems off too hard here

This is only part of it because the vast majority of people do not benefit from capitalism. Not anymore at least. Of those in the working class who defend capitalism I would say most are victim to the constant stream of propaganda that the media pumps out at the behest of the capital owning class. It’s something that starts from birth in most western nations and permeates into the narratives people are taught in school in a way that requires deliberate and consistent work to unlearn and break away from.

When other countries have entities bribing the government we say its bad. But not us. We made it legal. That makes it better ofc

How about we don’t play these weird corporate deference games?

The people doing the work are largely not spending their time on Lemmy posting about it. Organizing is an extremely taxing job to do.

Correct. Many people are struggling to even makes ends meet and don’t have the capacity to be politically involved even if they want to be. They are working several jobs, raising a family, etc etc.

In no way am I suggesting any of what you are suggesting and taking a lighter “more palatable” path to a socialist revolution. But many people cannot engage due to their material conditions and part of our work in agitating, educating, and organizing people is using the power we gain along the way to improve the conditions so we can repeat that cycle with more people in society at large.

Zohran is a member of the reformist Groundwork faction within DSA he has not interest in revolutionary politics. Reforms along the way to revolution is good because it enables more people to materially engage but it cannot be the endgoal otherwise you are just subservient to capital.

Will Zohran do good stuff for people? Yeah. Is that all we should be happy with? Fuck no.

Liberals love being bootlickers for state violence. Classic.

What a silly comparison the mayor of NYC has functionally no power to do a lot of the things Zohran wants to do because he is still beholden to the whims of their governor and Kathy Hochul does not really give a fuck on what Zohran wants.

I also think is continues to be rich how we describe Gaza as a Trump issue, obfuscating the long history of bipartisan support for genocide.