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Cake day: July 14th, 2023

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  • They sell their service as privacy-first across a suite of tools, but they don’t explicitly define the limitations. Now that I’m looking they lean in on the whole Swiss thing being a reason their privacy is so private. So if anything they are advertising that the Swiss government is hard to convince to share information with foreign authorities (they weren’t).

    This is exactly the kind of bullshit marketing that I’m getting at. Proton AG could be upfront the limitations of that privacy, or how an account should be created to be compatible with the expectation they are creating, or disclose when they’re being asked for information, by whom, or a whole raft of choices. They could choose to be loud about it all, but they are only loud about the marketing and silent on their compliance activity.

    As an aside I’m also wary of these goofy org structures of non-profit owned by for-profit companies. It’s the same kind of assumptions-based marketing at play where non-profit sounds nicer than big evil money hungry corpo. But it’s actually just a way to shelter money from tax, or access the Swiss Finance system in a way that enables the company to hide they want to hide.


  • Thanks, I’ve only been following the drama from Lemmy posts. So I’m wondering though, reading about Proton AG on Wikipedia I see they opened up their cloth to the Swiss government with user information, and it ended up getting a customer, who was an activist in Atlanta, arrested by the FBI. Fucking amazing for a company that screams privacy first about everything.

    Why isn’t that incident enough for everyone to drop them? The koolaid-soaked middle manager posting on Rddt defending their corpo’s AI policy is icing on a cake already made of shit. Did he make a post defending the asterisk “privacy first” should have in their marketing?











  • Yes, exactly, and people are so dogmatic about the topic it makes space for mismanagement and corruption like any other organization. I became an engineer, so we are ‘forbidden’ to join a union and that was fine with me for a long time.

    That mindset was based on my personal experiences with unions working as a teenager and throughout university, as well as from watching my blue-collar parents get fucked by their unions and companies equally, over and over and over my whole life. As I’ve become old and learned the role of OG unions in the creation of most of the rights as a worker I take for granted today (ex. weekends exist), it has been difficult to reconcile.

    Having unions is not only good, but required, but they have to be held to a higher standard than they are today, and they shouldn’t be immune to criticism from workers.