freagle

Have fun explaining what’s “ignorant” about my grasp of history

No, we don’t. We are always here. But you fucking dilletantes show up a few months before every election thinking that you can both rustle up some blue no matter who votes while spreading your blue MAGA bullshit and then accuse everyone else of being Russian bots and Republican trolls and you smug schmucks think it’s working without any sense of how propaganda actually works and how you are creating every opportunity for people to see how completely bankrupt you all are.

Man, the fascist Atlantic is just so fucking credulous. The fucking legislators wrote the fucking bill to allow the president to use discretion and then they said the bill they themselves authored might allow for the president to use discretion and now the president is using that discretion? You don’t fucking say!

at best the only “harm reduction” happening is some people getting to ignore the suffering until next election

This exactly.

if they’re just going to keep enabling all of this

It’s beyond enabling. They are architecting it, expanding it, normalizing it, and selling it.

Yes, the majority of emissions reduced during the 8 years under Obama were because fracking drove down the cost of natural gas below the cost of coal. The market drove a reduction in a coal usage in favor of fracked natural gas. But of course, that’s what happens when the only thing you control for is the one variable that makes headlines.

Speaking of which, during the first 4 years of Obama’s fracking boom, no one was measuring the leaks, and leaks from natural gas wells are methane, which traps 8,600% of the energy that CO2 does. They didn’t even start trying to fix this until 2016, and of course those fixes were easily rolled back by Trump, because the Ds can always expand the harm, but they can’t ever seem to contain it.

The Democrats are just as fascist:

1. Biden/Harris had the entire Epstein file suite and did absolutely nothing with it
2. Obama/Biden built the policy power to do the mass deportations and city-deployments of ICE that Trump is now using
3. Biden knew this and changed literally nothing about it when he was president
4. Obama/Biden deported more people than Trump has
5. Obama/Biden appointed Tom Homan as deportation czar - same guy Trump appointed in both terms
6. Biden/Harris deported/repatriated over 4M in only 4 years
7. Biden/Harris participated in the Israeli-led genocide of Gaza
8. Obama refused to provide arms to Ukraine. Trump was the first president ever to approve arms transfers to Ukraine.
9. Obama/Biden + HRClinton continued the Bush2 strategic plan for destroying 7 countries by completely destroying Libya, laughing at the public torture and execution of a 70-year-old man sodomized with a blade by people the HRC State Dept coordinated
10. 800k people, on average, have died every year for the last 50 years due to US sanctions, and both parties are totally OK with it.

We could keep going, back to Clinton and the Biden-authored Crime Bill, back to every war and military action, to the School of the Americas and the training of death squads and terrorists. We can go through and show how these programs were continuous across party switches in every part of the government. We can show how every mass movement of people for self-liberation and self-governance was met with mass murder at the hands of the USA regardless of which party was in charge. We can show how the USA was the model used for EuroFascism and how the USA absorbed and protected the failed EuroFascists and then spread them around the world for decades with their protection, bi-partisanly.

The USA is the global reservoir of fascism, which, of course it is, because the USA is the torchbearer, inheritor, executor, and protector of EuroImperialism, which is what EuroFascism fundamentally is.

Sewer socialists have a long history of winning in the USA, and also of being outmaneuvered entirely by the fascists in both parties, purged, and having nearly all of their progress completely undone.

LOL

Ah, I’ve engaged a person without an original thought. My mistake.

Because voters have figured out that voting doesn’t fucking matter. Once you realize that a) the country has always been run by a single fascist bloc b) with multiple fascist factions fighting for control and c) fronted by two PR firms with subsidiary PR firms that drive psychological manipulation of voters into believing that d) this time it really is the most important election in history and e) voting will fix it and f) if you vote correctly then the fascists you put in power will stop being fascist and g) actually make structural change - once that becomes obvious, voting is just not something people are motivated to do. And to be clear even people like me who believe all those things vote in vast numbers because it is a ritualized symbol and it has implications in social situations and dynamics. And even still huge numbers of people just don’t vote, which means massive numbers of people understand that the system is fully irredeemable.

And then Biden took office and he and his DOJ had the full Epstein files AND Project 2025 was openly published and explained and promoted AND Biden said “we have to stop these people” and then did what? That’s correct. He did nothing. He had literal documentation that DJT committed wanton infanticide and rape and human trafficking but did nothing. Nothing. Biden did nothing with the Epstein files while Harris told immigrants not to come to the US because we were absolutely going to continue torturing them at the border and nothing was gonna stop them, just like nothing was going to stop the Israeli genocide and the American participation in it.

No, sorry. The Democrats are not “less fascist” just like the Good Cop is still a cop.

The Ds aren’t going to save Ukraine either. The parties don’t make military decisions, the military does and the parties ratify it. That’s why Obama continued Bush 2’s projects, including invading Libya, which was on Bush’s list but he never got to it. Don’t forget Obama refused to give Ukraine any weapons and declared Venezuela a national security threat after Bush 2 tried to coup Chavez. Trump was the first president to approve arms transfers to Ukraine. I know it’s confusing because you think the parties are “evil” and “almost good” but they aren’t, they are both fascist imperialists and it’s why this all happens this way.

It’s also why the Obama administration expanded ICE and DHS and then deported 3M people with Tom Homan at the helm, just like Trump used all the Obama-era policies and even appointed Tom Homan himself to run deportations (though Trump hasn’t yet caught up to Obama’s numbers).

You’re falling for the manipulation. You somehow believe that the con artist saying “that guy has a knife, I’ll protect you, just give me your wallet” even after that con artist walked away and did NOTHING about the guy with the knife.

The evidence is clear. Both parties are maintainers of the world fascist empire, and one party appeals to the voters with fear of “the other” and the other party appears to the voters with the fear of “being bad people”.

We only have one non-fascist party at the moment

No. We don’t. Both parties are fascist. The Nazis studied the American system to learn how to build the Third Reich. The ruling class funded the Nazis in Germany and in the US. The US had a huge Nazi movement domestically. Who got purged? The anti-fascist communists. The US has spent over a century purging communist anti-fascists from all forms of meaningful power - media, art, politics, business. There are no non-fascists left in power. It’s just two PR firms selling the same fascism. The Rs are openly racist and the Ds do literally nothing to stop them and in fact create the very systems required for over fascist actions. That’s two fascist parties with a Good Cop / Bad Cop routine.

Being able to describe what someone is wearing and passing judgment on someone based on what they are wearing are two separate things.

When you say “leftist” I assume you mean liberal Democrat.

You realize that legislative votes that are bipartisan in nature and driven during a period when the beneficiaries are not voting is evidence for my position right? If Black voters were only voting at a rate of 10% - 15% (the highest turnout at the time was 25% in a few states), and Black voters were a minority of the total vote anyway, then Black voters voting for the right party had absolutely nothing to do with Civil Rights legislation passing.

And again, the actual evidence is that it was the riots and the organizing towards communism that drove the legislature to act, not voting habits. Both a Democrat and a Republican president, back to back, was forced to act not by a minority of a minority voting properly, obviously because literally the parties and had just won back to back opposite elections. And it wasn’t the legislature’s voting constituencies, because it was bipartisan to pass the legislation. And immediately after Nixon signed his administration’s civil rights changes, his administration then immediately went about destroying black communities by launching the war on drugs deliberately targeting black people and the white hippies who supported them. And BOTH parties legislators, the ones who had just voted together to address the civil rights situation, BOTH joined hands and supported the war on drugs and its racialized character, presiding over the most massive and rapid increase in racialized incarceration since abolition.

Both parties did both things, on both sides of the partisan reorientation! The Ds came up with the superpredator lies and propaganda AFTER they had recalibrated and “stopped” being the face of the openly racist South.

Because it wasn’t about voting properly. It wasn’t about getting the right parties in power. It was about threatening the status quo by organizing and being willing to shut things down, and being willing to become anti-capitalist, and to unify the working class against the rulers. THAT is what got meaningful change passed and THAT is why immediately after that meaningful change happened BOTH PARTIES IMMEDIATELY SET ABOUT TO UNDERMINE WITH VIOLENCE, LAW, POLICE, AND PRISONS.

The New Deal is the same thing. It was a response to labor organizing and building a movement to unseat the capitalist ruling class. The New Deal was explicitly designed to save capitalism. FDR said as much. It had nothing to do with voting and everything to do with the potential for the working class to unify and unseat the ruling class. Not only did the New Deal pass but the FDR administration also instituted racialized red lining and setup concentration camps for people who looked Asian and stole their property. People voted for that level of fascism? Or that’s just what the maintenance of empire demanded?

The entire US system is designed to prevent mass voting from having any effect. From the bicameral structure of the legislature to the staggered terms, to the electoral college, to the supreme court, voters were never supposed to have any real power. That’s what the Federalist Papers were all about. That’s ultimately what Liberal power is based on. Liberalism cannot survive mass movements. It can only disempower them in favor of maintaining capitalism. The minute a mass movement takes power, anti-imperialism and communism become the primary movement.

That’s why Ds and Rs both wanted to kill MLK after he came back from Vietnam. That’s why both Ds and Rs want to make sure workers stay hungry. That’s why both Ds and Rs deport millions. That’s why both Ds and Rs build and deploy the world’s most depraved psychotic military for genocidal projects and the destruction of mass movements anywhere in the world.

Yup, they do, but even their lies are useful signal. Social researchers incentivized by the tenure system and publish-or-perish have no reason to lie to you because they have no idea whether the lies are even inaccuracies. The only people they care about informing are the gate keepers. Academica have been totally kneecapped by the for-profit system and very little of what they do is related to the real world anymore.

You’re making shit up. Women got the vote without voting for it. Black people got the vote without voting for it. Black people got civil rights while less than 10% of them were voting. The politicians that passed civil rights were in both parties and it wouldn’t have passed without bi-partisan support. Equally, it was both parties that designed, implemented, and sold the war on drugs to incarcerate more black people immediately following the passage of civil rights.

You are 100% correct that the Good Cop behaves materially different from the Bad Cop. The Good Cop doesn’t break the law as often, nor as loudly. They don’t act beligerently, they don’t attack you. What the Good Cop does is hangs out with the Bad Cop and appreciated how the Bad Cop makes it easier for the Good Cop to get compliance from the prisoner.

Yes, GI Joe and COBRA have different policies, but they’re created by the same author.

The Ds and the Rs share the responsibility of managing the USA, and the USA is a EuroCentric white supremacist monocultural genocidal psychotic violent belligerent entirely based on the Papal Doctrine of Discovery (don’t take my word for it, read RBG) and 100% committed to maintaining control over the stolen wealth of millions of trafficked humans, 100% committed to maintaining the system of racial categorization for the purposes of dividing the working class, ad 100% committed that the working class should never organize and overthrow the capitalists.

So yes, they do act differently. Because that’s the roles they play in project of managing empire. But whether you vote for one or the other won’t make the country less fascist, less psychotic, less violent, less carceral, less mass murdersome. Voting has never stopped or even slowed down the machine.

Historically, neither party has been a fewer bombs kind of party, and both parties have had their moments of conservation and environmental destruction, and their moments of expanding rights and destroying them.

I do understand the idea of a plurality of strategies. I just think that people need to understand which strategies actually have effects. Allowing people to believe in fairy tales is a recipe for disempowerment. Much like praying for a cancer cure, voting is one of those things that makes you feel better about yourself without actually achieving anything

Because minor concessions are obvious pandering without real benefit. Give incentives to buy EVs, sure, go for it. But if you expand the military and fossil fuel extraction and then launch wars where you’re dropping bombs all over the world it doesn’t really matter how many tax breaks you give to EV buyers.

This is what your commitment to your narrative has done to you. It has made you believe that there is a category of people who don’t vote because that is what they prefer, and you’re so committed that you are willing to make nonsense arguments that posit the existence of people who eat food but specifically will not and never will eat food if it’s in a restaurant.

Nothing about your narrative is reasonable. Give people something they want and they will pursue it