Narri N. (they/them)

This whole exchange has been a horrible wake-up call.

It’s horrible.

well yeah, i don’t support the war, rearmament or US/NATO integration. frankly i find the EU to be a repulsive and ultimately harmful institution in its own right as well. the vassals in charge of my/our countries don’t seem to agree with me. which really blows my mind, because reality doesn’t seem to align with their plans for saving the EU. then again, the Finns have began admitting Ukraine is losing and called Putin presumably to beg for mercy, as they kept stating their undying support for the fascists.

I also want to thank you personally, comrade. I find your comments on socialism (especially with chinese characteristics) to be both enlightening and devastating when needed. I feel I understand the need of a secondary market economy in socialism already, but having comments like yours to highlight some specific examples is extremely useful.

The European political elite throwing money they don’t have to desperately keep their proxy war against Russia going, in order to create a warfighting force with industry they don’t have supply chains they do not control using Usian energy they don’t have money for. This is fucking stupid, I hate living here.

Nothing ever happens changes.

Capital has been consolidated further.

Removed by mod

oh hell yeah, the lemmy liberals coming in HOT with the dehumanization again! are you gonna go to homophobia next? i can’t wait for you to show your true colors. or are you gonna claim to be a “leftist” or even a “socialist” of some kind? must be the national socialist kind then.

edit: oh no, not the return of the impotent and ultimately ineffective downvotes! whatever shall i do? eat shit and die fascist, you pathetic fucking coward.

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/ukraine-azov-secret-prison-boy-kyrylo-budanov-torture/

You are the troll

yeah i was hoping they’d try to reply and keep embarassing themselves

That is true, and I hope they too learn to break through their preprogramming. Remains to be seen I guess. Edit: going through their modlog, it seems they are an unrepentant racist and repeat offender shitslinger. I hope they continue eating shit.

edit: awww, i think they got scared

ding ding ding ding! homophobia from lemmy liberals, get it right here people!

‘Law and order’ is a phrase mouthed by hypocrites to command the obedience of cowards. The capitalist class buys law as it does labor, using the one to fleece the other, and what it means by “law and order” is cringing submission to slavery.

• E.V. Debs

The pigs can cry all they want about the attackers being motivated by “extreme leftist ideology”. The liberal states in Europe have ran their course. They cannot produce an improved existence for the working masses, only for the bourgeoisie. The cops, the laws and the whole of European society now exists (and has existed for a while) to protect and elevate the rights of the bourgeoisie – the class of people who own the means of production. Once those interests contradict – when the masses protest against the cuts in welfare caused by the neoliberal ideology of the bourgeoisie – the state’s monopoly on violence is turned against the masses to protect the rights of the bourgeoisie, whose class interests dictate the whole of society. When the state is unwilling (or unable) to provide concessions for the protesters (masses) demands, the police’s only resort is an initial show of violence to hopefully force the protesters to withdraw. When this doesn’t work the possibility of violence grows. Only once the state is willing to offer those concessions the violence and protesting can end, but when the interests contradict again (i.e. when the state grows unwilling or unable to provide concessions again) the violence will come also. One must solve the contradiction of state’s interests vs. the masses’ interests to solve the issue of societal tumult.

You are pathetic. Fuck off back to reddit kiddo, that’s the place for fascists.

Edit: Awesome feedback. I’ll just keep collecting pieces of exploded Russian gear and enjoy my daily dose of FPV’d orcs while you guys eat Putins butt.

dehumanization, check. homophobia, check. you really are beyond parody, you disgusting fucking nazi

fr they fold so easily, as if they want to discriminate against someone.

I replied too fast, got thrown off by you putting the global south into quotation marks. Why did you do that, what did you mean by that? I’m struggling to understand your points.

For what it’s worth, my home country (in the EU) has some 550 000 immigrants living here, about 10% of the population. I suspect those are mostly people doing “shit jobs” (ie. cleaning, thrash management, other manual labor) that the locals refuse to do (because the work is hard and the pay is shit), preferring the status of labor aristocracy (ie. white collar jobs, tech sector etc.) and petit bourgeoisie (ie. small business ownership or other such) over those they see inherently lesser than them (as a consequence of the culture of white supremacy they grew up in). This would be aligned with European post-WWII culture of unequal exchange with the countries of the global south. I understand that these camps wouldn’t be used (at least immediately) against already established labor force, but against “illegal immigration”. My question would be who is responsible for determining which immigration is illegal and what is stopping them from narrowing the scope of legality (say, deporting LGTBQ+ people fleeing repression in Russia to some third country, thereby placing them in even more danger because immigration from Russia can be deemed illegal at will). Even more disturbing is the (imo) very real possibility of the EU sinking ever deeper into the same kind of fascism as contemporary US, and eventually using these same processes of deportation to silence and remove internal dissidence (eg. anti-war, pro-socialism).

Btw, it is not the “bourgeoisie” where anti immigration parties are the strongest but their stronghold is among the working class, interestingly not limited to those without immigration background.

Again with the quotation marks. But indeed, it is thanks again to the white-supremacist culture in which these anti-immigration working class people have grown. There is an important sentence in the communist manifesto: “The ideology of all hitherto existing societies is the ideology of the ruling class”. This ruling class in capitalist societies is the bourgeoisie. This page and that part especially explains the concept of ideologies in Marxism and its contradictions within the working class.

My comment wasn’t based on the current existence of European deportation camps, or even their stated use. But when capital goes into a crisis and the contradictions within capitalist societies heighten, what I wrote could as well eventually come to be. Who do you think were the first ones into Nazi concentration camps, or what kind of a society was the one from which Nazism awoke, or whose colonial practices those camps were based on? History doesn’t always repeat, but it sure does rhyme.

Edit: I see many downvotes, but zero replies or elaborations. Curious. If you have replied, then I have blocked you previously. You can keep eating shit.

deleted by creator