• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    5 days ago

    This isn’t limited to Linux. There’s a ton of “why would you want to do that?” Type unhelpful comments everywhere.

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      5 days ago

      When I wanted to write my own game engine in 2015, people just directed me to Unity. Some people even said that unless I want to work for some company that actually develops the engines, I don’t need to learn API or anything like that. It took a while to people to point me in the direction of SDL for input and displaying a framebuffer (back then I used CPU rendering, as almost no one cared about pixel alignment, hence why my engine is called PixelPerfectEngine).

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    7 days ago

    I can’t understand why there’s so many people suggesting newbies something really complicated distro, when all they need is to start with a something really user friendly, like Linux Mint. User can then move on to other distros if they want to when their skills improve. I use Arch BTW.

    • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
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      6 days ago

      Because otherwise you don’t have the “true linux experience”, whatever that means.

      I work in IT support, and you can’t imagine how completely computer inept the average user is. Like, they start crying when a button has moved 2cm to the side.

      These will never be able to use a command line, let alone install their own operating system.

      Yet some of these Linux evangelicals think everyone was born with a UTP cable up their arse. So they recommend what they see as “easy”, but don’t understand that it only looks easy to them because of the decades of experience they already had.

      As long as the Linux community can not decide what distro is the best for newbies, it will never be the year of the linux.

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        6 days ago

        Gatekeeping is a big problem with anything - especially as it becomes easier.

        Film photographers balked at people going digital and about color grading and retouching with lightroom and photoshop.

        Car people talked shit about how using an automatic transmission wasn’t really driving.

        PC gamers got pissy at console gamers in the 90s and 2000s for just wanting a game to fucking work without having to chase down a conflict caused by a random printer driver that made their game crash in any map with water (my actual lived experience with Battefield 1942).

        Lots of old-school 3D printing enthusiasts get upset when new users don’t know when to adjust their pressure advance or can’t read gcode.

        Doctors who worked three 30-hour shifts a week in their residency think new doctors should go through the same rite of passage.

        Football players who were taught to lead into a tackle using the top of their skull think new rules implemented to prevent neck injuries and TBIs make new players pansies.

        We need to understand that part of making the world better is that the next generation of professionals, hobbyists, and people in general will have it easier than us, and that’s a good thing.

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    7 days ago

    The landscape has changed a lot.

    When I first was trying to get into Linux 15-20 years ago, this is pretty much how it was. I can remember being very frustrated that very few people I encountered seemed to be willing to assist at an entry level; there was all this presumed knowledge which I didn’t have (and if I’d had it, I wouldn’t have been looking for help in the first place).

    Today there is a lot more entry-level help and assistance. There are more user-friendly distros and a lot more information online that is accessible to the average user who hasn’t memorised every GNU/Linux man page.

    That said, there are still situations where getting help or advice is a real challenge.

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      7 days ago

      Not at all my experience, I started using Linux in 2005, and Ubuntu was part of an explosion in available help for new users,
      but also many smaller distros had it, like for instance PC Linux which I think back on fondly.
      Beginner friendly distros was as much a thing back then as it is today.
      The biggest difference is more that Linux has become better, and some things are a lot easier today.
      Even Arch has an easy installer now!

    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
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      7 days ago

      Yeah, i had a similar experience. I was messing around with a small Media Center/NAS hybrid running Debian, and it really, really wasn’t happy with the integrated GPU of the AMD A4 i was using, causing instability and tons of graphical glitches especially in video playback, which were not acceptable on a potential media center. My attempts to get help from the community as a linux noob that did not even have enough knowledge to know what commands i could use to get relevant information to add to my cry for help got me a lot of harsh replies before someone was nice enough two days later to help me out. We got it fixed together after a few rounds of replies, but my first impression was not very good.

      Nowadays there are so many online resources available, and support boards often have basic information available about what information should be attached and HOW TO GET IT, which reduces friction a lot, and also makes the community a lot more accessible for new users.

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    7 days ago

    Really? i get handheld terminal command lines with embedded copy functions when i search for solutions to my Mint problems. It’s a pretty kind and helpful community.

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      7 days ago

      I imagine most Linux communities have half a dozen or so online users, at any given time, just refreshing the New Posts section waiting to fix someone’s problem and blow their mind.

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        7 days ago

        There’s a misguided imagination cloud about Linux, then in reality the incredible wealth of help and support Linux users invest and receive.

        It’s the FOSS “lone-wolf” thing. If you feel like you’re on the outside, each Linux user sounds like a crazed wasteland wanderer.

        Meanwhile, we’re using comfortably customized environments curated and supported by our community, updating in the background, and enjoying stable 20-second boots.