You know how we tell the story about brutally murdering the Son of God? We want to put that on display, all the time, in His House, so He never ever forgets.
God is love!
Religion is given far too much respect in the world when it needs to be treated as a mental disorder.
Why is it a mental disorder? Can I have a source?
I guess lemmy is also becoming reddit now, shamed for asking a simple question
Also Islam:
Are these actual passages?
Looking at actual translation at the first one, https://quran.com/al-baqarah/191
“Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.”
If you read the verse before it, https://quran.com/al-baqarah/190, the Quran talks about it in the context of war.
“Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors.”
The passage clearly says about defending, in the context war. And do it only against the aggressors. And also not to exceed the limits, which means proportionate response.
It makes sense to fight back. Akin to the Ukrainian defending against Russian invasion.
The passage clearly says about defending, in the context of war.
Could this be interpreted as in any type of war, and not just a defensive war? It doesn’t seem clear to me via the english translation.
And also not to exceed the limits, which means proportionate response.
Could this not also mean the limits interpreted through other passages elsewhere in the Scripture?
Person from Muslim background here. Let me try to explain. As with all sacred texts, Quran includes many contradicting parts, where other are open to interpretation. Also, Quran was “revealed” as small passages over Muhammad’s life. He claimed to receive messages in the context of the current events. To complicate things even more, standard Quran is not compiled in chronological order.
Passages from early Islam where Muslims were a persecuted minority, the texts are more about peace and harmony. As Muslims increased in numbers and influence, the passages have also turned more aggressive.
For example 2:62 says
Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever ˹truly˺ believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve.
The final ones are indeed about any war, and dominating the space they exist in. Give them ultimatum and then fight until they ask for mercy.
The main message to take here is, by choosing which part to quote, you can make it say anything you want. Sounds familiar?
