• Pratai@piefed.ca
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    AI doesn’t make art. It creates images. And there’s a reason it’s called “artificial”, it’s named after those that use it.

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    Ai lacks the intention to make art. It can make pictures but I dont think those can be considered art

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        If it looks at all the internet during training, we can say it has had quite a lot of trauma

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          Yeah that’s the base model but afterwards it’s just instruction trained to behave as a helpful assistant and further optimized for reasoning, tool use and whatever else the benchmarks tests for. It needs specific training for freaking out, panicking, failing hard at tasks, self doubt instead of confidence, incompetence, impotence, fear and anger!

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    I was just thinking the other day, not as a gatekeep but as a philosophical question: Can you make anything considered art without understanding pain? I feel like in order to even make pleasurable art you need to make it in constraint contrast to pain.

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      I don’t believe all art comes from pain, some comes from pleasure — as in, it pleases the eye and such.

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      Take your favorite musician or act and listen to their couch surfing, barely eating first album then listen to their 20 year run, financially secure album and you’ll have your answer.

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            I gave it a listen since I grew up with U2’s first albums and still liked their music through the '90s (it’s of course hard for people today to imagine U2 being young and fresh in a world of overproduced pop music, but that’s really what they were in the early '80s). I’m quite accustomed to music that gets better the more you listen to it, but that forced U2 album got worse every time.

            My favorite line was “Every sailor knows / That the sea / is a friend turned enemy”. Bono, nobody fucking sails any more, or even grew up knowing old people who once sailed.

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      Studio ghibli’s Miyazaki (cant be bothered to look up his first name, but hes not the dark souls Miyazaki) is famously incredibly depressed/nihilistic but also makes incredible films and simply cant be forced into retirement. Pain does make art.

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      I was going to say food, but then I remembered every long-time cook can handle hot things barehanded because they’ve burned themselves so many times they’ve lost sensation in their fingertips.

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        Already happening. They claim to have bombed that school in Iran from AI Intel. Or maybe they are just using AI as a scape goat. Which will be the future, blaming AI, not the individual responsible

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      How do you think we got AI in the first place? Do you really think a bunch of happy people were like “I’m so happy, how can I be happier?”

      Happy people are complacent. Every single thing you see, every innovation, every advancement by mankind… It’s all the product of someone’s misery that finally hit the tipping point into action, eventually producing results.

      I’m sure that’s her son, wrapping their head around the entire concept of “all human advancement is driven by pain” can be a bit depressing, but I choose to look at it as “per adversitatem, sustinemus“ or “Through adversity, we endure”

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      I think the exchange ratio is posted somewhere on the fed. More trauma = better art. Where you actually trade it in at, I’m not entirely sure. I think it just sorta appears, like direct deposit.