• pageflight@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    If they aren’t going to have the votes to make it stick, I agree it feels like a waste of time.

    I would like to see really hard lines on ICE, Israel, Iran. Though government shutdown doesn’t hit me personally that hard; we would need to be ready to support vulnerable folks.

    I actually think getting all the evidence ready for criminal prosecution seems helpful. And separately, building local government power.

    But overall, I’m not sure how they can fight an illegal leader from within the legal system, if half the government is also illegal cronies.

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      A lot of people in the country are politically ignorant. They forget quickly. These folks operate with a, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” kind of politics, so if they don’t hear about things happening, there must not be a problem. The Republicans understand this, which is why they conducted a bajillion useless Benghazi investigations to help foment distrust in Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Those investigations were useless and lead nowhere, but the side effect of talking about it all the time helped the MAGA Republicans gain power.

      A third impeachement could serve a similar purpose, if the Democratic Party was willing to actually try to win. An important part of fighting MAGA is by constantly shoving into people’s faces that MAGA are freaks. Democrats should be pointing out the smoke to show there’s a fire.

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      2 days ago

      Agreed. What a lot of the brigade here doesn’t realize is that unless there are enough votes in the senate to remove his ass and throw him into Gitmo, another impeachment is just more performative bullshit.

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        There’s literally nothing Congress can do that is not performative bullshit. The same senators that will block impeachment will block any worthwhile legislation. The only concrete power they have is passing a budget once per year. Everything else is performance.

        And they’re legislative political leaders. That’s actually part of their job. Every statement, investigation, speech, and vetoed bill is a performance to convince voters to support them and turn against their opponents. The only thing they do that’s concrete is passing legislation (and impeachment) and if those things are blocked you do performances to try to unblock them or at least hurt your opponents in future elections.

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          2 days ago

          So it’s all performative bullshit except for the concrete stuff they can actually do? Am I following that correctly?

          • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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            Passing a budget once a year and shutting down the government if it’s vetoed. Literally the only concrete action they can take. I explicitly said that was the singular thing, so I don’t know why you think I brushed aside a bunch of other options.

            But since you seem to think there are, please list some instead of these contentless responses. Should be easy since there are so many.