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A Helpful Guide To Star Wars vs Star Trek

Star Wars

[Image of Han Solo in Tommy’s style]

  • Don’t start with the ‘first’ movie, let me tell you where to start
  • Looks like ruined farm equipment in space
  • In summary: the past was horrible
  • JJ Abrams ruined it

Star Trek

[Image of Jean Luc Picard in Tommy’s style]

  • Don’t start with the first season, let me tell you where to start
  • Looks like a cruise ship in space
  • In summary: the future is incredible
  • JJ Abrams ruined it
    • Ech@lemmy.ca
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      21 days ago

      Nah. VIII had a few missteps, but it was better then the rehashed plot of the first, and far better then the mess that followed.

      • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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        21 days ago

        What the actual fuck? Episode VIII is quite literally the worst mainline Star Wars movie made. I consider even episode IX to be better, not by a big margin but still better for no other reason than to try and salvage the clusterfuck that was episode VIII. Here’s a short list of things episode VIII got wrong.

        • Threw out pretty much every story thread Episode VII set up
        • Did a complete character assassination of Luke
        • Turned Leia into a force user because, well I don’t even know why.
        • The entire casino world plotline which is not just entirely irrelevant to the plot but also completely fucks with timeline of events.
        • That whole thing between the purple haired captain? and Poe. Especially that super secret plan that for no fucking reason was never explained to the rest of the crew.
        • Breaking the whole hyperspace explanation and the whole space combat consistency with the hyperspace kamikaze
        • The asian lady plot
        • The ending sets up literally nothing for episode IX

        The whole movie is one massive misstep that derailed the entirely sequel trilogy. I get Episode VII wasn’t anything magnificent but the entire point of episode VII was to reaffirm to the fans (who were skeptical about the continuation of Star Wars considering Episode III didn’t really leave on a high note and Episode VI kinda tied up the loose ends) that the series is going somewhere and isn’t nosediving off a cliff. That’s why they effectively redid the Episode IV plotline, because it was a safe starting point that sets up characters for episodes VIII and IX. Abrams even left a rough draft for VIII and IX but then Johnson was given full creative control to throw the entire trilogy draft out the window and do whatever the fuck he wanted. We don’t know if episode IX could’ve ever been good because episode VIII fucked the entire trilogy so hard it became impossible to salvage.

        The only context in which Episode VIII could be better than IX is if you view them as individual movies and not a part of a trilogy. And you know, Episode VIII probably could’ve been an okay standalone film. But it wasn’t. It had to respect what episode VII set up and it had to give episode IX something to follow up on. It didn’t neither and for that both Episode VII and IX are worse off simply because episode VIII exists. In fact the movie almost killed the entire franchise by taking all the characters and storylines and driving them off straight off the cliff.

          • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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            21 days ago

            I would, but A New Hope gets the excuse of actually being a standalone movie. A New Hope came into theaters as “Star Wars” and became Episode 4 later. Like I said, The last Jedi probably would’ve been an okay standalone movie. The problem is that The Last Jedi was never supposed to be a standalone movie.

            • Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              21 days ago

              I’ll accept that. In general, though, I feel like having the time jumps pull a lot of weight is core to the Star Wars movies’ identity, so if there’s any movie that should leave few threads loose at the end, it would be Star Wars. (Thus, I also feel there was no reason for IX to have been what it was.) I would also argue Kylo Ren being now in control of the New Order in the state of mind that he is (plus his arc with Rey) is a very loose thread with very promising potential. (Plus the ending shot seemed like foreshadowing the fate of the trilogy’s end would be decided by entirely new possibilities.)

              • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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                21 days ago

                You can have time jumps between movies but if the movie is a part of a trilogy it needs to serve the trilogy. Imagine if at the end of two towers Frodo throws the ring into the fire. What would return of the king be about? You couldn’t have the return of the king because the story is resolved, the ring is gone. It would have to be a completely new u story and it wouldn’t make any sense in the context of the trilogy.

                That’s basically what Johnson did. He took the whole story and instead of setting up the final movie to resolve the story he resolved the story on his own and left nothing for the last movie.

                • Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  20 days ago

                  All the New Order lost was the equivalent of two aircraft carriers. (Using the ancient art of calculus, 1+ \int_{TR-8R}^{some other named squadron} fighter dust = 2.) The story absolutely was not resolved. Ren in control of the Order while going insane, whatever’s up with Finn and Rose surviving, how exactly was the rebellion going to continue (they clearly were but what do they do now?), and final scene may as well had marked with big giant circles who shall be the next heroes.

                  • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
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                    20 days ago

                    Did we watch the same movie? The Order won and the rebels lost.

                    The movie setting up “next heroes” is literally my point. It sets up something new with new characters instead of setting up the conclusion to the trilogy with existing characters. It doesn’t set up the next movie with existing characters because their archs got concluded.