• DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    A man is being a bit sarcastic and the angry feminist protester is threatening to mutilate his genitals?

    No wonder Trump and Abbott won.

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      Yeah, it’s not cool to threaten someone’s genitals and remove their agency in what happens to them. Congratulations, you are currently standing on The Point.

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      2 years ago

      If you think it’s just one man being a little sarcastic then you need to open your eyes to the stripping of bodily autonomy going on all over the place.

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            8 days ago

            I think most men would rather not be forced to get vasectomies, than women want abortions; also the woman in the cartoon is supposedly more overtly pro-choice by identity, yet in this she’s anti-choice for men.

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              The point is in your face and you miss it. Many men advocate to control women’s bodies by taking their right to autonomy away. If seeing a woman with a shirt saying something like that makes you uncomfortable, how can you say it’s just “a man being a bit sarcastic?” How do you think women feel? Again, if this comic makes you uncomfortable, imagine how uncomfortable women are.

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                Her signs in the first and third panels are okay, as well as what’s written on her T-shirt in the 2nd panel. The sign in the second panel is dumb—it’s not discomforting, it’s just dumb.

                What he said was also dumb as well as sarcastic, but he didn’t advocate violence. In the second panel she calls him “bitch” (normally a sexist term), holds him as a male collectively responsible for the actions of relatively few men, and then says that he should pray that she and others don’t get more violent.

                Do you think her tirade convinced him to be more sensitive and sympathetic?

                What if she replied to his sarcasm with “What’s wrong with Summers of Love or protests?”

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                  7 days ago

                  I’m saying that if those things make you uncomfortable as a viewer of this comic, how do you think women feel when their rights are stripped away?

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        8 days ago

        Her sign includes “VASECTOMIES FOR ALL”.

        Does that include men who don’t want vasectomies?

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      Unsure is /s, but doesn’t seem like it.

      Reproductive health advocates are not mass murdering children. You’re thinking of guns, drugs, and cars if you are in the USA, cancer and other genetic defects if in the UK.

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              Scientific knowledge shows that a fetus is a lump of cells with no more consciousness than an amoeba that can’t exist without the host which makes it closer to a parasite. That’s not a baby or a person. You need to actually be able to understand more than a one sentence statement to grasp the vast majority of scientific knowledge.

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          K. I’m going to get back to work for my company that is mass murdering children by lowering employee reproductive health. (/s)

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              Those two examples are wildly different from eachother. One is a medical procedure involving theoretical children, and the other has real kids getting injured and killed.

              Edit: wanted to add that the medical procedure is always to prevent a major health issue when being funded by state taxes.

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                Whenever the israelis bomb the buildings, they don’t know for certain there are kids in there. They are just theoretical kids in the moment to them.

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                  More like, Schrodinger’s kids. I genuinely hope you find peace and learn to not let being pro-birth justify letting others suffer and/or die. Red tape and bans kill when it comes to healthcare, without solving anything.

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            But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

            “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

            23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

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              That’s about infertility. The NIV isn’t a very good translation and focuses less on what the text actually says and easy readability. A more accurate translation is the NRSV (although the ESV or even the KJV doesn’t make this mistake- although it depends on whether you want to translate “thigh” as “womb” or literally render it, as thigh is a euphemism. However, the word “miscarry” in the sense that we understand it is not there)

              [27] When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people. [28] But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children.

              Verse 28 says “be able to conceive children”. It’s quite clear that she wasn’t already pregnant at this point.

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                That’s not up to you. All scripture is God breathed. Are you saying that God would allow his one and only true word to be mistranslated so poorly? Shame on you.

                It is obviously both. A woman could be pregnant or not and the same thing would happen either forcing a miscarriage (aka an abortion) or become infertile. There is no where that indicates the woman’s current state of pregnancy or lack thereof so it must be both.

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                  That’s not up to you. All scripture is God breathed. Are you saying that God would allow his one and only true word to be mistranslated so poorly? Shame on you.

                  There are several examples of mistranslations happening in major bible translations. Having this superstitious view about it being impossible to do a bad translation of the Bible is completely rubbish.

                  It says that she shall be free to conceive. How can you be free to conceive if you’re pregnant? You cannot conceive a child when pregnant. This scripture cannot be used in any way to justify abortion. You started on a poor translation of it from a disreputable translation (The NIV, often nicknamed the “Not Inspired Version”) and are now clutching at straws because I pointed out that it was clearly incorrect.