• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    It will be Project 2029 after this election. Yes, vote for the democrats, but if you think positive change will happen just by voting then you haven’t learned anything from leftist predecessors.

    Actual, meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain, from outside revolutionary pressure, whether that be from mass worker strikes, protests, or other such upheavels of the status quo.

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      3 years ago

      “Hey, if we let Republicans destroy our country, it will actually help us in the long run. Trust me bro.”

      Yeah fuck that bullshit.

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        3 years ago

        When did I say that? Never. I said Biden isn’t a positive change, you cannot get positive change electorally, so you need outside pressure.

        Voting Democrat is what I am most likely going to do, I am just not delusional enough to think he will reverse Capitalism’s decay.

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          meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain

          I took this to mean that you want the State to get worse so people will start a revolution. Maybe I misunderstood.

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            No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.

            Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.

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                You’re remarkably bad at reading.

                Capitalism is in decline. Continuing Capitalism continues this decline. Slight bumps upward on a downward trend line does not reverse the dowmward trend. Make sense when put that way for you?

                Would it kill you to actually engage with leftist ideas, rather than run away the second you don’t have an actual response, by the way?

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                  3 years ago

                  Biden is slow, negative change

                  Verbatim. So Biden is not bad for the nation? It’s an upward trend? And this is…bad?

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        It’s called “accelerationism” for those who wish to understand more. It’s dangerous thinking.

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      3 years ago

      While I disagree with plenty of the Biden administration’s actions, including the recent Title VII FISA and especially the support of Israel, let’s look at the positive change that has happened that you say won’t happen in the future:

      • Expanded overtime for workers
      • student loan debt relief
      • returned net neutrality
      • the first otc birth control pill
      • the inflation reduction act, which also pushed green/renewable energy (there’s a LOT of environmental stuff in this act)
      • more anti-redlining rules
      • crackdown on junk fees and overdraft fees
      • ability to audit Chinese companies (nod to trump on this one, too)
      • reform electoral count act, hopefully preventing more shenanigans like trump initiated to pressure officials to change the count.
      • conservation and preservation of the Colorado River
      • support for small farms and food producers
      • penalties for some schools leaving students in debt
      • the CHIPS and Science act to bring chip production back to the US and boost US tech R&D
      • boosting cancer research with ARPA-H
      • made it harder to bust unions
      • approved billions in infrastructure improvements and repairs

      And plenty more improvements such as protection of land from drilling, strengthening alliances, boosting cybersecurity, etc.

      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

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        Incremental, slight concessions and tweaks to the decaying Capitalist system will not improve things. It’s a slow, stagnating death.

        For example, there is no meaningful reason that America does not have a robust system of high-speed rail other than lobbying from the automotive industry. Same with Universal healthcare and the pharma industry, same with public housing and landlords.

        Biden tossing scraps while people starve and continuing the US Capitalist project will not result in meaningful improvements. Even if Biden had unlimited power, America would continue stagnating as wages fail to keep up with productivity and the third world is super-exploited for domestic super-profits.

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          I feel like this argument would have worked a lot better before Trump.

          Do you want slow incremental positive steps forward, or massive bat-shit crazy, weaving-all-over-the-road while toying with destroying democracy, self-serving, ultra-rich benefiting and fuck-the-little-guy theocratic “reform”? Hm… that’s a tough one.

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            Those aren’t the choices. The 2 choices are slow stagnation as Capitalism crumbles and Workers ever-more exploited, or massive bat-shit crazy reactionary fascism.

            Trump is worse, yes, but Biden continues America’s march rightward into its doom. I’ll be voting for Biden, but at the same time trying to actually contribute to society via donating to strike funds and trying to get others to read Leftist theory, as well as trying to slowly unionize and increase pro-union sentiment.

            Biden doing small positive changes as America lurches towards its own destructuon and Biden fuels a genocide does not make him slow, incremental positive steps forward. America is a sinking ship and rather than fixing it, he’s handing out free massages and toys.

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              I mostly agree with you, but IMHO Biden has been better than any other president in my lifetime… and I’m 50 years old. His position on Israel is awful. I would 100% go nuclear (pun intended) on solving global warming. But beyond that, I think he’s done a pretty good job with the hand he’s been dealt. The presidency is not a monarchy. No matter who is elected it’ll be a long term battle to right this ship.

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                I don’t disagree with the statement that he is the least bad, I can’t say any President I have been alive for represents my views. He’s the least bad, but is still bad, IMO, so continuing to criticize him is important to me.

                And yes, his position on Israel and the genocide of Gaza is abhorant.

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            What slogans am I spewing? I’m a Leftist, I am going to advocate for Leftist beliefs and criticize Capitalist beliefs.

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              I don’t care if you’re left.or right. To each their own opinion. You, however, are very clearly not spewing your opinions but slogans you were told to use, or thought sounded cool.

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          The primary issue with arguments just like this one is that you need small and medium changes to effectively lay the groundwork for larger shifts. Moreover, these are still positive, so stop complaining. Show your support for what positive changes happen and promote MORE changes rather than constantly turning your nose up.

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            Read my comment history, lol. For example, on the Net Neutrality restablishment and on the banning of non-compete clauses, I uncritically supported these.

            I absolutely support positive changes, but Biden is not merely a bunch of small positive changes. Biden is a continuation of Capitalism’s decline and is not reversing that course in any manner!

            I do promote positive change. I donate to Palestinine, I donate to Strike Funds. I try to spread pro-Union sentiment without getting fired, and I read Leftist theory whenever I can so that I can do better.

            What I will not do is waste my time punching left and minimizing criticism of the failing Capitalist Empire that is the US and those who support it.