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The country was literally built on genocide and slavery. OP, Remove the “if” and replace the comma with a period.
It’s a barbaric nation either way. That’s long since been determined. The question is how specifically fucked up is it.
I mean, look, ICE has been publicly executing people for the last year and change, right? That’s some fucked up shit, and the people in power show no signs of stopping it. That’s barbarism.
The people in power have nothing to gain from stopping it. The people who are NOT in power have everything to gain from stopping it- but the cowards choose not to.
It would be difficult to find something non barbaric in the history of the US.
You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration camps…
Imprisoning Trump and his goons wont make a difference. Treason and mass murder need to be dealt with in a permanent way.
We’re profiting off a genocide for 3 years, and threatening the biggest legal body that is investigating it.
Yeah, the US has been a barbaric nation for a while
We’ve been a barbaric nation for a while. It’s just on full display now. This display of violence changes nothing.
Any people more afraid by not having a gun than by not having a doctor is immature.
You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
You’ve always been this way and it’s taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK again…
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40% undecided.
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40%
undecideddon’t see an issue with barbarism.FTFY.
We just don’t have the luxury of that argument, I’m afraid… The problems here are systemic and exist within each of us to some degree.
got a loicense for that opinion, mate?
Yeah, the U.S. sucks but people from the U.K. can shut the fuck up about it.
American here. People from everywhere and anywhere can say whatever they want about the US. If that makes you feel bad, you can log off and not read the comments.
I love a lot of things about this country, I work hard and am actively working towards trying to make the America around me less shitty. But the comments and criticisms on America and the people that live here and who is in power are valid. Don’t like it, fine and you may fuck off and go do something productive.
If it is not Livestreamed you are still a barbaric nation. Not doing anything against children being murdered in school shootings is far worse in my opinion.
Not the unprovoked bombing of a school?
Yeah but that was like over there. This is here. You know?
True! Alright so I’ll roll coal with my rented and lifted F350 tonight!!! w00t w00t
Too many that are too rich. They get twisted and have to go new ways to entertain themselves.😢 And sadly our SOME community is made for sociopaths to thrive.
The fuck you mean “if”?!
Rest of the world’s got news for you folks.
The people that I’ve unfortunately talked to that either support or don’t condone it do not care that this is “barbaric”. They condone violence, and they want more of it.
You cannot shame or reason with these people. American religious conservatism is a cancer and you cannot reason with or shame with a cancer.
Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
Many of us want to be better.
Not enough to do anything about it though, it seems.
Sorry but doing anything about it would be “barbaric” according to people like you.
I wish I knew how and what to do. Born into a society with unions rapidly declining in the 80s and 90s. That is where a lot of front end action starts to take place, and the U.S. doesn’t have nearly the same union presence it did 40-50 years ago. It’s a 2 party system, and both parties suck. The status quo here has been dismantling people’s collective ability to organize, for generations at this point. Whether or not anyone will admit it, they are scared and subjected to enough propaganda on a daily basis to be coerced into being anti-union.
The brick by brick wall built between citizens and their own well being is astonishing. 9/11 was middle school for me so a lot of the bricks were observed in my lifetime.
The most well organized militias happen to be aligned with the current administration, which is baffling for any number of reasons, but not trying to deep dive that.
I think it would take a large group of our politicians to admit we got way off track, issue formal aplogies to friends, neighbors, and allies. Then request formal 3rd party help. At this point, short of that happening I truly do believe the US will implode on itself within the next 50 years.
Executive action needs to be removed or reworked entirely. Term limits across all governing bodies, Supreme Court, senate, house, all of them need an expiration date and term limits. For the judicial I would go as far as to say they are selected at random from pools of high level judges. What we have now is just a collective of leeches.
I hear what you say, growing up in similar environments. Humans have always been oppressed by other humans when they’re allowed to. The only reason we ever had freedom is because we bled and fought for it. America will need to bleed for this to be solved. Trump is ready to be violent and oppressive. The people need to be that back, but in much greater numbers to match and overwhelm.
What you say can be avoided, but it needs millions marching with guillotines to get back on track and avoid. There will be no peaceful transfer of power, and I think we can all see that.
I wish it were different. I truly do.
I’m trying man. I vote, I volunteer, I protest, I work my ass off to educate myself and others around me. I’m careful about how I spend my time, attention and money and support people and causes I see as useful. I train, practice and prepare for if and when things get violent. I work with others in my community to make myself and those around me more resilient. I see hateful signs and stickers and I take them down and actively confront hateful dipshits around me.
So what do you suggest I do more? And would you do that yourself?
In a just world that would be more than enough. Sadly Trump’s America isn’t just anymore. It’s extreme. What it sounds like to me is you’re preparing for war, while i Trump is actively waging war.
Would I do more than you are now? No. But I have much to lose and people who depend on me and I can’t actively resist. Were I to find myself with inoperable cancer, or at my end, family deported etc, I’m not sure with anything to lose I could say I’d be inactive. That’s what most surprises me about Americans now, is that there’s so few people willing to go to the extremes when they have nothing to lose. It boggles my mind actually.
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If any society from more than 60 years ago doesn’t seem barbaric, it means society hasn’t progressed and shit is fucked up.
Even oldschool public executions is tame compared to this though, because it’ll be live streamed globally and recorded.
When you look at shit happening today and it’s 1,000 times worse than a century ago, it’s fucking noteworthy.
Stop acting like this shit isn’t a huge deal and it’s always been like this.
The Vietnam war was less than 60 years ago. Plus all of the wars in the middle east, our torture black sites, overthrowing democracies for profit, etc.
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You think it’s a clock and is only real after 60 years?
Progress is a constant thing. It’s pushing a cart up hill. If youre not further up the hill every step, it’s not progress.
60 years, 60 months, 60 days, 60 minutes…
The length of time doesn’t matter, just that progress happens.
Every well adjusted person should have a shit ton of regrets, because they keep progressing as a human and find prior behavior unacceptable. That’s the same for a nation.
Do you legitimately not understand that?
What is the progress tho? US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years. It is as fucked in the head as it ever was.
What is the progress tho?
There hasn’t been any…
From the early 90s to 2025 the neoliberals controlled the DNC. They kept moving right, so Republicans did the same to differentiate.
We finally have a non biased DNC again (Obama just ignored it, or wed have gotten in in 2009 and shit never would have gotten this bad)
That means a neoliberal won’t win the next presidential primary, because they could never win a fair primary. It took Hillary hiding behind Bill’s charisma to get them the DNC in the first place.
But all of that was orchestrated by the wealthy to stop progress. They just plan on generational timelines.
US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years.
Gaza? The government has been enabling it, but acting like it’s already America commiting a genocide, just means when/if our government crosses that line, people are numb to it.
That’s a widely used propaganda technique, and trump himself does it all the time. Everytime he says “we may do that” is so some people get outraged early, and that prevents people from getting outraged at the same time.
Like, I fully understand your intent and that you think you’re helping, but you’re only helping the oligarchs when you blur lines like this.
Not to mention thats everything thats public information. You go behind the scenes and you’re begging to lose all hope and meaning.
I guarantee there will be all sorts of meme videos about it. Lots of AI videos, too.
But how will they feel smart then?
There’s enough pedos in politics without bringing drake into this…
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I think that there’s a difference between being barbaric while trying to appear civilized and being barbaric and proud of it. Both are bad, the latter is worse.
If you can’t see the difference, from an ethical standpoint, between livestreaming an execution and keeping it away from the eyes of the general population, you’re a bit of a sociopath.
Pretty sure we got that covered when we killed those school children. You know, to “MAGA”.
Make America Genocide Again?
