Pavan Davuluri says the rising cost of memory is why Windows 11 will use less RAM, with work on the memory manager, WinUI 3 and WebView2.

Pavan Davuluri says the rising cost of memory is why Windows 11 will use less RAM, with work on the memory manager, WinUI 3 and WebView2.

  • skujcici7755@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    6 days ago

    You gotta wonder who’s spreading this constant meme about Windows 11. I suspect they have hard coded backdoors into linux

  • crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    12 days ago

    All it took was a RAM apocalypse for Microsoft ro consider improving performance in Windows. I’m seeing brand new laptops on display being sold as Windows 11 PCs with 4GB of RAM.

    • mycodesucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      It’s hard for the younger generation to understand, but 4 Gb of RAM is MORE than enough for 99% of tasks if your software isn’t written by lazy idiots.

      • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        When the Raspberry Pi 3 first came out I was shocked how much it could do with less than a gigabyte of RAM (it technically has one gig but it shares it with the GPU). Linux is ridiculously lean when packaged right.

        I have an Android tablet with four gigabytes of RAM that sometimes crashes running Firefox with multiple tabs, something the Pi somehow managed with a fraction the resources. Windows often struggled with eight gigabytes before I upgraded.

      • Dave.@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        12 days ago

        WinXP ran quite nicely on 4GB of RAM. You could boot to the desktop in under 5 seconds if you had a solid state drive.

        All the day to day tasks someone needs to do with their computers haven’t materially changed in the last twenty years since XP held the crown. In that time the speed of processors, storage, gpus, and ram has increased by literal orders of magnitude.

        And yet, somehow, things have become much shittier since then.

        • mycodesucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Because what used to be a native application that used 200 mb of RAM now needs to be a web application built on top of a browser using 4 gb of RAM to do the exact same task.

          I will honest to God pick fucking Eclipse over VS Code every single day, because at least it runs natively.

            • mycodesucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 days ago

              The “enlightened” will tell you to use whatever you’re productive with…

              …but the real answer is “anything that isn’t written in Electron and has no telemetry”.

    • sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      12 days ago

      My friend bought one of those, paired with I think 64gb of EMMC storage which is basically an SD card. It couldn’t browse the internet really with Edge in it’s default settings. I had to disable so much crap but I got it usable with Firefox.

        • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Nah, with 4gb you can get away with most linux distros with XFCE, and you could even do some indie gaming. Plus, using ChromeOS means you’re expected to have a network connection at all times (which makes things like using office suites locally a pain).

          • ouRKaoS@lemmy.todayEnglish
            1·
            12 days ago

            I’ve ran Puppy Linux off a 8gb flash drive on a system w/ 2 gigs of ram. It was by no means good, but it worked good enough.

  • weps@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    10 days ago

    but I can rent ram, storage and computing from your datacenters right?

    and I can use that for my economic productivity and get the rest for my free time and entertainment?

    thank you lords

    • eldebryn@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 days ago

      You bet your ass we’re gonna start seeing a bunch of “pc as a service” products hitting the market soon. Thin client with good wifi antennas and everything is just video streamed from infrastructure owned by Amazon for you to use like a good surf.

  • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Ah, my mistake, i missread. It “will” use less memory (like, maybe one day).

  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Surface Pro owner asked if Microsoft would improve memory consumption, since they had to disable on-device AI services just to run a local model.

    A cynic would say that customers disabling Copilot is finally what forced Microsoft’s hand.

    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      0·
      12 days ago

      I disable every single new feature from all non Foss vendors. Theyre ALWAYS shit. 99% of the time its a shitty ui change for no reason and now shitty ai thats useless for no reason.

      Whatever happened to good software. They all went to Foss lol

        • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          12 days ago

          That’s why Valve/Steam holds the line. People think public corporations can choose not to be evil; they legally can, but it’s practically impossible. That’s why we need strong government and regulation.

  • FireWire400@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    11 days ago

    I recently had to configure an older Thinkpad X1 Carbon G8 for my little brother. It’s only got 8GB of RAM unfortunately and he needs Windows.

    So I installed Windows 11 IoT LTSC like I usually do, installed all necessary drivers and manually deactivated services that don’t need to run. It still uses 3GB of RAM while idling.

    My 2-year-old daily driver Manjaro install uses half of that, and that’s on a system with 32GB RAM where Windows would almost certainly use more just because there’s more

  • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Bullshit, Windows 11 uses more ram than any other OS I know of. It idles an entire gigabyte higher than Windows 10, it’s still worse than MacOS although close, and it’s nowhere close to Linux Gnome, Headless, or even KDE Plasma.

  • lechekaflan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Some devs in the big corpos got spoiled with so much memory, with feature creep they managed to bloat up once reliable programs.

    In 1994 and when I began compsci, I remember how memory and bandwidth conservation was then taken so seriously, where performance was a high consideration over eyecandy (at the time, PCs were still 386s, 486s and some Pentiums coming out, and most I used had either 1mb or 4mb of memory available). That I once got hold of Creating Killer Websites (yeah, that book), which included a section on how to slim down images to make them download faster, as at the time nearly everyone were on dialup. Videogames were then equally small, they were mostly sprite-based and were easily fit into a CDROM, as other games had basic vector graphics and low-resolution texturing.

    • llii@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      11 days ago

      which included a section on how to slim down images to make them download faster, as at the time nearly everyone were on dialup

      I’m looking at you, lemmy sidebar header images that don’t get scaled down after uploading and are often > 5 Mb.