I wanted to see one of these awful videos for myself, so I went to Google and started typing “Facebook baby in oven” when Google suggested to add “how long” 😂
When I ask how oven, you ask
Is a video of a baby roasting in an oven even illegal? In general, are videos of violent crime illegal?
I’m so mad that ai generated objectionable material is considered fine because it isnt illegal but someone draws a werewolf with its dick out and it gets removed for “promoting beastiality”
Source: involved in a lot of NSFW furry artist communities and constantly see peoples work being removed, flagged, or accounts lost for less.
Ah but you see, when something is hot it makes closeted conservatives uncomfortable.
You see the problem? To a conservative, nothing is more illegal than making them personally uncomfortable. And nobody is more inherently conservative than a billionaire media mogul.
This. People reaaaaally don’t like that point, but video/fictional stuff should not be held to the same standard as actual, living people. Otherwise, we can kiss goodbye to 90% of the entertainment business. Movies, books, video games, pictures, all of those should be allowed to depict stuff, if only to criticize it.
Unfortunately, too many people think that if they don’t want to see something, no media of it should exist.
It would be very different if actual people were used, or even just their likeness, because then it actually can cause harm and distress. But this? People wasting their time defending pixels are doing only one thing: not defending actual people.
video/fictional stuff should not be held to the same standard as actual, living people.
Disagree.
Loads of countries treat animations or computer generated images the same as photos.
No one is “defending pixels”. The actual reasons are that the abuse of children should not be normalised, that authorities should not have to identify a specific victim, and that no legitimate artistic interest is served.
That said, the question of whether a child in an oven depicts child abuse according to the interpretation of the court is another question entirely, and I suspect that the answer is that it does not. Yes placing a child in an oven would be abusive, no an image of a child in an oven is not “child abuse material”.
Otherwise, we can kiss goodbye to 90% of the entertainment business.
Preposterous.
I agree with the points you’re making, but I’d also like to put in my two cents as a victim of CSA and CSAM production. Not that it makes me an any sort of authority on it; I just wanted to share my opinion.
I don’t think fictional material should be considered the same as real footage. In real material there is a victim whereas (unless a person’s likeness is being used) there is none in fictional material. The reason CSAM is so horrible is because of the fact there is a victim, not because the material itself is disturbing (which it is, don’t get me wrong). I think that making them equal crimes is a huge disservice to the victims and downplays the crime that was committed against them, both socially and legally. In my experience a lot of people already oppose CSAM more so due to the material being graphic rather than the actual assault and continued violence against the victim by possessing/sharing footage of it.
AI generated material will have been trained on real material so it’s not exactly entirely fictional.
And where do you draw the line?
For example, do you think CSAM should be legal as long as those in the material are fictional?
If you think that is not okay, would it make a difference to you if those in the material were not “realistic” (but still underage)?
I don’t think people are suggesting it should be illegal because they personally don’t want to see it, but rather because they believe that it is damaging to society as a whole.
drawn pornographic depcitions are generally legal and protected by the first amendment in the united states, even if the artist explicitly states the characters are minors.
Uh huh. Kinda sidestepped all my questions there. Where do you draw the line?
So, “drawn” kiddie porn is legal in the US. What about realistic AI generated kiddie porn? Is that protected by the first ammendment?
Do you think it should be?
Should you be allowed to distribute it, or do you feel its okay only if it stays in your personal collection?
las I checked it was being decided by the courts because the laws aren’t very clear and neither is the first amendment. I think that it’s legality probably should be handled on a case by case basis until people understand the technology better because “realistic” is unfortunately too vague for me to feel comfortable wanting laws using (imagine a “realistic” oil painting getting outlawed).
I don’t think that was the point of the comment you replied to.
The point is that even if it was a real video, it’s not illegal. Just like a video of 9/11 is not a terrorist attack nor is it illegal, it’s just a video of one.
the video of the Christchurch mosque shootings is illegal in NZ and Australia.
A cartoon of Bart and Lisa having sex is classified as child pornography in Australia.
and a zillion other examples
It is perfectly legal for Meta to remove content they find objectionable. WHICH content they find objectionable is what is concerning. Tits? Right out. Baby killing? Stay.
Infamously:
Breastfeeding videos? Out. Classic art with boobs? Out.
ISIS beheading videos? Actual animal mutilation videos? IN!
Why are you deflecting to illegality? Meta removes tons of posts that are completely legal when they don’t fit into Meta’s political agenda
What? How? I mean… there are quite a lot of violent and graphic movies out there. So this should not be illegal. However, it has to be made sure that those videos cannot be seen by non-adults.
children watched beheading videos all the time and tutned out fine, why would this slop be any different?
Well, I know what you are trying to say, you just put it in a very extreme way. This is like saying that there are smokers who are 90yo, so it must be not affecting your health. A skewed view, because you don’t see the affected people, because they are six feet under. Same with traumatized people, who choose suicide because of all their experiences.
you know how to make them care?
start generating AI videos of rich people roasting in ovens.
“Meta Is Refusing to Remove AI-Generated Facebook Videos of Graphic Child Abuse, Including a Baby Roasting in an Oven”
The future fucking sucks.
Israel literally accused Palestinians of doing that.
If they don’t care, make them care. That’s what courts are for: make criminals feel the law.
The U.S. courts? I wouldn’t hold your breath.
Or just make them care by making a bunch of gross videos about Zuckerberg and the entire Meta board members.
They’ll delete just those.
Yes, censor all the things we find distasteful! Burn the books, delete the disks!!!
If you put deleting child abuse images on the same level as burning books, you should seek professional help.
Wow. They don’t want to offend the manosphere that’s been making nazi jokes for ten years now. Ha ha, killing people in ovens, isn’t it funny? /s
Suckerberg is such a piece of shit.
If fake babies roasting in ovens was a bad thing, how come The Sims never got cancelled? 🤔
SIGNIFICANTLY less realistic
Only someone who regularly roasts babies on the barbie would know this 😉
People called DOOM realistic when it came out in 1993.
Allegedly they used Doom to desensitize soldiers?
Not Doom, no, but the military did (and probably still does) have an FPS video game it used for training.
Yes, but having played like VS3 or something of AA, in the early 00s, AA is a lot more… structured and realistic in the sense of the job rather than the amount of gore it had.
I’ve already moved off it, Mastodon is a much nicer feel. In fact I try not to use anything Meta including WhatsApp.
They only care about engagement and growth. Damage to our social fabric, psychological disruption, hardening of positions, suppression of critical thought, encouraging anger … Fuck it!
hint: is the baby roasting in oven video accompanied by a hasbara/description of “this is what hamas/palestinians do to Israeli babies”?
Let me see if I have my pedo-billionaire glasses tinted correctly:
School shootings are caused by violent video games, teenage depression, and propping doors open. But promoting Nazi-fascist ideology while posting videos that dehumanize others? All good!
Fascist ideology is specifically about dehumanizing others. Its premise is that some humans are persons while others are not.
Its actual premise is that no humans are persons but property is, specifically huge amounts of capital.
But they don’t say it that way, lest their alt-right warboys realize how expendable they are.
When I still used Facebook would regularly report imitation sites and posts pretending to be national news outlets as impersonation and misinformation. They would never do anything about it. On Instagram I’ve reported openly hateful accounts calling for violence against groups, as their account name or bio and it doesn’t violate their TOS according to the responses I’m getting.
Same. I would report stuff multiple times. Things obviously criminal in nature.
End of the day, Facebook is that desperate for engagement. They’ll allow anything to happen on the platform.
I can’t say I care about these videos either while real children are still going hungry. Save your activism for children that exist please
