Apparently WD and Seagate stock have already taken a hit at the announcement.
I just want affordable storage again in the single digit TB drives, maybe low teens. I waited too long to build a multi drive nas and now I have regerts.
When my 4 TB drive died ~15 years ago I thought to myself I’d just wait a few months and replace it with 8 TB for the same price. Then the floods happened.
Then prices almost were finally at that level again. And then AI started gobbling everything up.
IIRC storage started rapidly rising even before AI, due to those stupid proof-of-storage cryptos.
I hope it alleviates the pressure. I need to upgrade the 4TB in my array, badly. It’s all on borrowed time.
I have 4x8tb drives that have way too many hours on them
Good that Toshiba saw the increase in demand as an opportunity to increase sales volume, rather than price gouge their customers. Hopefully they gain market share.
IDK, it’s pretty risky. Doubling production means youre taking a bet that the bubble is not going to burst.
Prices are so up that even when it bursts, they will go to normal ones. I mean price per GB was normal to go down, and now for 1st time in history it went up.
Same and worse for RAM.
Its like we are 15 years back for RAM and like 10 years back for HDDs.
Great point! Sextuple production!
Hard disks will always have demand, we need more every day and they have a limited lifespan
Yeah, I keep getting storage to get redundant back ups. My last big storage purchase was getting some before the US president took office because of the tarrif threats. But, I’ll eventually need to get more.
These numbers feel unreal. How long does zeroing a 65TB drive take?
would probably take like 2 to 3 days to write zeros across the entire disk. but hardware or software based full disk encryption can make ‘erasing’ a disk (make the data irretrievable) very fast.
How computing a result from a ?4096?bits key for each byte goes faster than writing 0 for each byte?
You keep the drive encrypted while you are using it, and then when you want to wipe the data, you just wipe the part of the drive holding data related to computing the encryption key. You don’t touch the rest of the drive, but without the encryption key it’s effectively random noise.
If the disk has built in encryption, so the storage controller on the disk handles the encrypt/decrypt cycle but presents as an unencrypted disk for all intents and purposes to the user. All thats needed to wipe the disk is to delete the encryption keys. Its a pretty common feature in enterprise disks and i quite like it. Saves a lot of time when decom time rolls arround
All thats needed to wipe the disk is to delete
You are jumping to a point in time after what I am asking:
“all you need” is to delete a key -> No, you need to encrypt the disk before, which is the step prior, and without it, deleting a key change a thing…
So basically, the part “hardware” built-in could make sense, but the guy didn’t specify any if this…
In other words, zeroing the disk is going to be faster “in normal circumstances”.
You don’t need to encrypt empty disk space. Formatting a disk only writes some data structures here and there, leaving vast majority of the disk unchanged.
It’s slower to encrypt and then delete the keys than it is to zero the drive, yes. But that’s not how it’s supposed to work.
You encrypt your data (based on the pre-generated key) piecemeal as you fill the drive over the course of years, then you delete the key when retiring the drive, so you can make a drive unreadable in seconds.
The good, more HDDs and bigger drives.
The bad, they will directly to data centers.Consumers aren’t buying large drives like this, those are intended for data centers. And if they’re increasing production aimed at those capacities, that means smaller capacity stock opening up for consumers.
I don’t hoard video files, so 1TB still seems unimaginably vast. I was shocked when I learned my entire CD collection, ripped to FLAC, would fit on my phone. 100TB is like a billion dollars, my mind has difficulty understanding numbers that large.
You get games that are several hundred gigabytes these days - high resolution art assets are big.
Filling up a 1TB drive is easy. 100TB, yeah, that’s a lot of space.
Don’t count bytes, look at what they can store: 1TB will hold like four to eight recent AAA games.
Even if you do need 100 TB of storage, I feel like it’d be a lot better to have multiple smaller drives rather than one massive one. To be fair, though, I’d expect such large drives to be targeted mostly to commercial customers.
My 116TB pirate ship could use a few more 100TBs to keep afloat.
Yeah, if get a few bad sectors suddenly you’re spending most of a day backing things up.
You should’ve been backing things up already.
“If you have one, you have none”.
Without proper backup your data is just waiting to disappear at the first unrecoverable failure.
And it can be fairly invisible in day-day use with 4 drives set up in RAID5.
just remember that raid is not a backup
I meant to get back to ask you what you meant by this.
My (novice-level) understanding was R5 would give you redundancy and a way to restore one of your drives if it went down unrecoverably.
Is that just wrong, or it doesn’t count as a backup?
it works thst way if a drive fails, yes, but not if your computer crashes in the wrong way or you accidentally delete a file.
A backup has protection against these.
Nice. I switched from WD to Toshiba in 2024
Why?
Trump kept threatening Europe, so I stopped buying US products
Not whom you asked, but in my experience and from what I’ve read on the webs, WD’s reliability is a coin toss. Some drives keep chugging for years and years, other ones croak too soonish.
