• M137@lemmy.today
    12·
    3 hours ago

    This thread has been very eye opening abiut how fucking dumb many of you are and how ignorant you are about the fediverse etc. I expected some (valid) .world hate but so many of these comments makes me confused about how many people even ended up here because their obvious idiocy and ignorance points to that not being possible.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
    13·
    15 hours ago

    I wonder if the Jehovah’s witnesses are excited like this when they get a good number of members. /s

    • dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world
      13·
      14 hours ago

      Turns out federation is a moot point when everyone is in the same server and everywhere else is de-federated anyway because people, mods and instance admins cannot behave.

          • bstix@feddit.dk
            4·
            7 hours ago

            You are. You understand.

            The real issue is where the communities are, rather than the users. Smaller instances can’t easily attract large communities of people from outside their own, so the larger instances get to run the main communities for everyone. It’s working as intended but it’s all in the numbers.

            A lot of the federation links were set up years ago, so I wonder if anyone is even activily trying to federate, like we used to when it all began.

            Like, the NSFW instance went down some years ago, and I don’t think anyone from the instance I’m using has bothered federating with a new one with that kind of content, or at least it doesn’t pop up anymore. Which is fine, so I also don’t bother, but for a newcomer it might seem odd that some instances have more connections than others and such.

            • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              4 hours ago

              I get lots of content from other instances and when I search for communities I see all the instances that such-and-such community? If you have spent any time online you know that large != good community. Yes some are defed’ but that’s fine by me.

      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
        35·
        10 hours ago

        define behave.

        because according to chunks of lemmy userbase my non-murderous and not extremist views are hostile and akin to being a pedophile nazi grandma rapist.

        just owning a car or owning a playstation/nintendo here is unforgivable sin.

      • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        86·
        15 hours ago

        Anything about piracy is blocked, as well as other content. I’m all for moderation, but I’m against censorship.

          • emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            1·
            2 hours ago

            Yeah you’re on the ‘anarchist’ instance. Lemmy.world users can’t see the piracy community at all I think. Pretty sure they blocked it. At the very least, there used to be a piracy community on lemmy.world as well but it got banned and deleted.

        • antiR@lemmy.world
          141·
          14 hours ago

          I think it’s OK to have specific instances ban certain stuff especially piracy. Those issues concern legal things and risking a general lemmy instance which is fairly large is not worth it. Those things are better put on a dedicated instance that will be tolerant to legal problems. Same rules don’t have to apply to all lemmy instances, each lemmy instance is better with their own set of rules or identities.

            • Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
              111·
              11 hours ago

              Chill. You don’t have to agree with what someone is saying but no need to be a douche.
              The whole point of instances is that they can alk have their own rules and you can pick another one if you’re not happy.

        • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          21·
          9 hours ago

          Like when they told someone I know to stop posting a retort to one user who signed all of their comments that they couldn’t be trained for AI.

          Because that sounds like censorship.

        • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          152·
          15 hours ago

          Wtf man. Fuck North Korea, and any other propaganda. I’m worried about censoring piracy related content mostly. I don’t even know .ml, I’m from .db0.

          Speaking about propaganda and fake news, you’re the one jumping to wrong conclusions and thus spread misinformation. You didn’t even bother to check which instance I’m from. You’re such a massive hypocrite.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      94·
      19 hours ago

      Have any good suggestions for a decent non-tankie instance that doesn’t censor and allows downvoting? I’m only on .world out of laziness.

    • M137@lemmy.today
      1·
      3 hours ago

      How are you so unable to use your brain?
      The function and idea of decentralisation isn’t to evenly distribute users across every instance, some instances being much larger than others is and extremely obvious thing.

    • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
      76·
      21 hours ago

      We are decentralized, according to FediDB, the Fediverse has 14.2 million accounts. Lemmy+Piefed+Mbin have 551k users. Obviously we could be better spread out, but the fact that there’s no instance at 50% share is already pretty nice.

      And if a big instance enshittified, it would be drastically easier for everyone to leave it compared to convincing people to leave Reddit or something. You just export/import your user settings and you get to keep the communities you’ve subscribed to and block, and the users you’ve blocked.

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
      313·
      1 day ago

      No. The idea is to have the constant looming threat of decentralization to keep the centralized system in check.

      • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
        6·
        19 hours ago

        Except in this there’s really not a lot of benefit when it comes to centralization so it would be better to decentralize to make sure no single instance becomes too big. I’d say world is already a bit too big because 90% of my subscribed feeds would be gone if world no longer federated with Piefed. World has significant sway on our side of the fediverse because smaller instances will probably feel dead (or turn into an echo chamber) if world won’t federate with them.

    • Magitian@programming.dev
      8·
      23 hours ago

      Precisely! What’s the point of an overpopulated instance? It’s more likely to affect users because of blanket instance blocklists.

        • HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world
          72·
          24 hours ago

          the instance I was on straight up, said that it was shutting down, and that we should migrate to other instances. I did that and dropped the other account so I have no fucking clue what’s going on over there.

        • cannedtuna@lemmy.worldEnglish
          303·
          1 day ago

          .ml has a lot of pro-Russia, pro-China types and criticism of either country can lead to a quick ban.

          Functionally, there is no difference. Both run the same software, tho the versions may slightly differ as the devs, who run .ml, push updates.

          For a functionally different experience try Mbin/Kbin (I forget which is the current), or Piefed. Piefed is similar to Lemmy with some quality of life improvements. Kbin/Mbin is a cross between “tweet” style posts, “blog” style posts like tumblr, and Reddit type posts.

          • Jiral@lemmy.world
            11·
            17 hours ago

            Ok, I get it that there are pro-China guys, plenty of Russian regime fans around as well. But the thing that really caught me by surprise is that there are seriously people entirely serious about how North Korea is heaven earth.

            • jdr@lemmy.ml
              41·
              16 hours ago

              Can’t enshittify if you have no services in the first place

        • Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.orgEnglish
          223·
          1 day ago

          From my experience, people in .world are way more open to positive discussion than .ml. Everything upsets .ml if you say the wrong thing or dont post the right way, to make them understand. Its to much fucking drama for no reason.

          • jdr@lemmy.ml
            36·
            16 hours ago

            No that’s stupid and you’re stupid but Lenin is cool

        • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          64·
          16 hours ago

          .world is doing its best to replicate every bad thing about reddit (starting with powermods) while avoiding every positive aspect it might have once had. I’m sure its admins have constant wet dreams about the day they can go public and sell it for parts.

          .ml is trying to pretend it’s not lemmygrad by putting on glasses with a fake nose and a moustache.

          Both are toxic and harmful to the fediverse.

          Similar things can be said of most other “big” instances to a lesser extent (including the one I’m in, but I’m too lazy to move out for a third time).

          Frankly, the only instance I’d trust to not be politically compromised is fedinsfw, and I already got bit once by lemmynsfw’s incompetent management (when they lost control of it to a rogue admin and it closed for months), so I’m not going back there.

          Next time I have to move I’ll be rolling my own private instance, or quitting altogether.

          • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
            2·
            2 hours ago

            You might try one of the .zips. Very competent admins who defederate from next to nothing, leaving the choice up to the user (mainly as opt-in blocks, with just ~3 opt-out ones iirc).

            If you roll your own though then probably PieFed/PyLova would be much easier than Lemmy to deploy and manage.

            Regardless of how the most controversial communities on Lemmy.world decide to be, it’s good to spread out and decentralize.

        • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
          62·
          22 hours ago

          ML was run by the Lemmy frontend maintainers who drain the blood of puppies for sustenance and wish to kill you slowly and painfully as a source of income.

    • toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org
      101·
      1 day ago

      All those users are from different instances. That’s decentralized.

      If this community goes down or is otherwise not viable anymore, users can easily find another, similar community, while not having to switch to a different platform or instance or whatever themselves. That’s how this is supposed to work.

      Decentralization with different larger communities on different instances, with community members from all kinds of different instances, baby!

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          2·
          2 hours ago

          Settings -> scroll down to Import/Export Settings, click the Export button, repeat with Import in the new account, works even across Lemmy -> PieFed or PyLova.

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          6·
          23 hours ago

          You can, it’s easy and quick. I just exported my profile settings (builtin to the default lemmy.world web UI) to a json file in a couple seconds. Confirmed it contains blocked users and communities.

        • arrow74@lemmy.zip
          13·
          1 day ago

          Decentralized networks with large centralized communities is the best approach. You have to have that number of people to have interesting conversations and engagement.

          But if all the users are spread out across several instances it becomes more resilient. If a large community/instance goes offline or there’s a controversy then it can be migrated to a new instance

          • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 hours ago

            I vaguely know what an instance is, but let me see if I can get this straight.

            So an instance in the Fediverse is a website hosted either on a web hosting service, right? So it’s like if I wanted to start one, it’d be similar to starting an old fashion forum like phpBB? I’d buy a domain, get a webhosting service, and install the software?

            And the communities are analogous to sub forums? Except instead of me creating them, the users on my forum would create them?

        • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          It’s good to have it as an option but most people are frustrated if they can’t just go to one place that has tons of people.

  • bedwyr@piefed.caEnglish
    5·
    19 hours ago

    Doesn’t all of lemmy only have 60k weekly users though? I thought I just read that.

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        We just recently fell below 30K, as the Fediverse Observer site crapped out.

        We held 40K for a long time, down from 65K at the peak, but our decline in active users continues, despite all that Reddit continues to do to piss off their userbase.

        • Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world
          33·
          15 hours ago

          It will grow exponentially, though, Reddi’s latest update removed the r/all sub and its pissed off a heck of a lot of users.

          Imo it doesn’t even deserve to have consumers anymore, it’s basically a Facebook newsfeed now, merely without a friends list.

          • Lightfooted@lemmy.world
            8·
            14 hours ago

            I’m here because they restricted old.reddit to only logged in users for “security reasons.” The only time I log in is when I’m truly motivated to post something. Forcing me into their obnoxiously large, ad filled hamster wheel of scrolling when I just want to browse efficiently was the last straw.

            • Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world
              1·
              14 hours ago

              That’s fair enough, I don’t blame you. The weird thing about that having to be logged in thing, is that as soon as I deleted the app; voila, you can browse posts from Google results, even up-vote and pressumedly comment, without even being logged in. What a predatory app.

          • dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world
            6·
            14 hours ago

            I kinda miss when forums had a dedicated politics board, hell i miss boards in general which is why i still use sites like Whirlpool. Forums were better

          • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
            6·
            15 hours ago

            It will grow exponentially

            It made a huge jump in 2023 and is mostly declining since then. Unfortunately fediverse observer shut down.

            • Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world
              3·
              14 hours ago

              That’s a shame to hear… either way, I’m just glad to be off of Reddit. I wasn’t banned, just began to hate it with a passion.

    • 001@slrpnk.net
      31·
      18 hours ago

      Who else are they supposed to obsess over if they do that?

    • Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.orgEnglish
      103·
      1 day ago

      I can now say I’ve officially joined the .world party, after the craziness from my last post getting deleted, im officially done with them. i might even delete all my other post i did in .ml, those guys are fucking ridiculous for no reason.

  • Miisha ♀️@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    122·
    1 day ago

    Let’s go Lemmy! It’s nice to see this platform grow. Whether by taking in people from corpo social media platforms or just by people discovering that it’s actually a safe neat little place to exist.
    Keep the Lemmings coming please 💜

    • Kenny4tunes@lemmy.world
      3·
      15 hours ago

      I decided to drop Reddit recently, it’s an ugly husk of what it once was.

      I typed into Google “Reddit alternatives” and funnily enough, it was from a Reddit post that I learned about Sumit and Lemmy.World.

      • nullspace@lemmy.world
        5·
        18 hours ago

        A lot of people have been banned for similar reasons around the DOGE crackdown. The smallest comment would trigger a ban for “inciting violence.”

    • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
      31·
      22 hours ago

      Lemmy kind of maintained by really really really terrible people, though. Better off on a different fediverse frontend.

      • Miisha ♀️@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        31·
        18 hours ago

        I think that’s a personal preference. From what I’ve heard, the devs used to be tankies (fuck those), other devs distanced themselves (I think?), tankies made Lemmy.ml (you can tell by the amount of bullshit on there, lol), some instances defederated from it (good) and now…I think we just go on? Idk, I’m probably completely wrong about that, please correct me. Anyway, fuck tankies.

        I really like Lemmy. I probably won’t leave. Sure, Mastodon works ig, but I’m not a Twitter person. I much prefer the Reddit-style…style of Lemmy. So, forgive me for this, but I’m staying.

        • Miisha ♀️@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          21·
          18 hours ago

          I see, I was wrong. Checking the Lemmy repository, it seems that nutomic and dessalines still work on it. And yeah, these are hardcore tankies that I strongly disagree with.
          With that said, these people run lemmy.ml. I’m not on lemmy.ml. I really don’t think they can influence me in any way, cause of how Lemmy works. The first thing I do when signing up is block Yogthos, lemmy.ml, all communism communities and the lemmy.ml instance.

          So…don’t judge me for this, but I’m staying, even tho I disagree with the devs. I mean fuck, Elon Musk being human trash doesn’t stop people from using Twitter and I bet way more people use Twitter than there are Lemmy users.

          I slept 5 hours last night and I’m dead (suffering from relationship success) :P
          If anything that I type doesn’t make sense, please correct me!